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The whole point of this project is not to use up supplies needed to build ventilator but to compliment the ventilators they are already building by using Tesla

by kiba 7y ago

The whole point of this project is not to use up supplies needed to build ventilator but to compliment the ventilators they are already building by using Tesla parts. This is fundamentally a logistics project. Plus, they have access to Medtronic engineers, and as long as the FDA approve the devices, I have no problem with it.

Cthulhu_ 7y ago
But how long will an FDA approval take? Are they likely to take shortcuts because it's an emergency? I mean personally I wouldn't object to them lowering requirements temporarily because we're in a crisis situation, but I hope they won't give permanent approval for all of the hacked ventilators that a lot of companies seem to be producing right now - once the pressure is off, stop using the temporary ones until they've been pulled through the FDA wringer thoroughly.
baybal2 7y ago
> This is fundamentally a logistics project. Plus, they have access to Medtronic engineers, and as long as the FDA approve the devices, I have no problem with it. Indeed, they just need to fly the devices, and parts for final assembly from the Medtronic factories in China. In the current situation, it makes zero sense to spin new assembly lines when old ones are situated in the world's biggest manufacturing supercluster, and can be realistically scaled tenfold if they commit to that. What I read going round Chinese BBSes now is that Medtronic's "factory" in Ireland is just doing a screwdriver assembly from Chinese parts, and all that just to do the infamous "Double Irish" manoeuvre
- Retric 7y ago
  China has banned exports of medical supplies. Edit: Trusting them to supply medical components seems like a huge risk at this point.
  - baybal2 7y ago
    Yes, as of April 1. I wrote about it below.
  - jiangplus 7y ago
    It is not true. China is in post-pandemic time and they even have to sell the over manufactured products to other countries. And many people are shipping and donating masks to their friends oversea. http://weekly.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538661.html http://weekly.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538661.html http://international.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538867.html http://international.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538867.html
    - baybal2 7y ago
      http://www.mofcom.gov.cn/article/b/c/202003/20200302950371.shtml http://www.mofcom.gov.cn/article/b/c/202003/20200302950371.s...
    - mcguire 7y ago
      Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus’s Toll https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of...
    - Retric 7y ago
      China suppressed the outbreak, but is still seeing double digit new cases per day. It could easily see a huge outbreak in a few weeks and based on past behavior should not be trusted to continue exporting medical supplies.

by kiba 7y ago

Cthulhu_ 7y ago

But how long will an FDA approval take? Are they likely to take shortcuts because it's an emergency? I mean personally I wouldn't object to them lowering requirements temporarily because we're in a crisis situation, but I hope they won't give permanent approval for all of the hacked ventilators that a lot of companies seem to be producing right now - once the pressure is off, stop using the temporary ones until they've been pulled through the FDA wringer thoroughly.

baybal2 7y ago

> This is fundamentally a logistics project. Plus, they have access to Medtronic engineers, and as long as the FDA approve the devices, I have no problem with it. Indeed, they just need to fly the devices, and parts for final assembly from the Medtronic factories in China. In the current situation, it makes zero sense to spin new assembly lines when old ones are situated in the world's biggest manufacturing supercluster, and can be realistically scaled tenfold if they commit to that. What I read going round Chinese BBSes now is that Medtronic's "factory" in Ireland is just doing a screwdriver assembly from Chinese parts, and all that just to do the infamous "Double Irish" manoeuvre

Retric 7y ago
China has banned exports of medical supplies. Edit: Trusting them to supply medical components seems like a huge risk at this point.
- baybal2 7y ago
  Yes, as of April 1. I wrote about it below.
- jiangplus 7y ago
  It is not true. China is in post-pandemic time and they even have to sell the over manufactured products to other countries. And many people are shipping and donating masks to their friends oversea. http://weekly.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538661.html http://weekly.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538661.html http://international.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538867.html http://international.caixin.com/2020-04-04/101538867.html
  - baybal2 7y ago
    http://www.mofcom.gov.cn/article/b/c/202003/20200302950371.shtml http://www.mofcom.gov.cn/article/b/c/202003/20200302950371.s...
  - mcguire 7y ago
    Urns in Wuhan Prompt New Questions of Virus’s Toll https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of...
  - Retric 7y ago
    China suppressed the outbreak, but is still seeing double digit new cases per day. It could easily see a huge outbreak in a few weeks and based on past behavior should not be trusted to continue exporting medical supplies.