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negative I surely am, but if I had to place a bet about sweeping worldwide changes in pandemic mitigations, I know which side id bet on. this is not negativity

negative I surely am, but if I had to place a bet about sweeping worldwide changes in pandemic mitigations, I know which side id bet on. this is not negativity for its own sake, we have a clearly demonstrated pattern of behavior. hows that climate change mitigation coming? you say a century like its prehistoric - that's barely more than 1 person ago. EDIT: to further prove my point, you didn't respond to the part of my post where I said we clearly saw this coming in 2019. it exactly disproves your point - we DID see national lockdowns, we just didn't care.

jimhefferon 7y ago
> we clearly saw this coming in 2019 The overwhelming majority of people, the common person on the street, did not see it coming. A week or two before my state got locked down I was at a meeting and for Other Business I said we need to establish how to hold next week's meeting online. Everyone there looked down at their hands, clearly thinking they were in the presence of a nut. Finally someone said, in the tone you talk to your drunk uncle at Thanksgiving who is a Fox News nut, "Well if a lockdown would ever happen we can email about it then."
- pjc50 7y ago
  Have you investigated how you get your news as a result? How was Italy at the time of that meeting?
  - jimhefferon 7y ago
    Forgive me, I'm not sure what you mean. I perceive that the difference between them and me is professional training; I am a mathematician, in the Theory of Computation, and their training is in areas without the same consciousness about exponential growth. The meeting was a Ham Radio club and so draws from a wide range including both white collar and blue. I didn't mean to talk down about the folks there, who are generally intelligent and thoughtful, and I only told that story to illustrate that the typical person was not thinking about hunkering even that close to the lockdown moment.
vonmoltke 7y ago
> EDIT: to further prove my point, you didn't respond to the part of my post where I said we clearly saw this coming in 2019. it exactly disproves your point - we DID see national lockdowns, we just didn't care. China did not report this disease to the WHO until 31DEC. The first containment restrictions, a quarantine of the greater Wuhan area, was not put in place until 23JAN. Until a few weeks ago, the earliest known infection presented on 10DEC in Wuhan. So, how the hell did "we clearly saw this coming in 2019"? Where are the "national lockdowns" you claim existed?
- JadeNB 7y ago
  I don't know about national lockdowns, but there were plenty of predictions, not of SARS relatives specifically, but of flu-type pandemics, in 2019 and before: https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predict... .

jimhefferon 7y ago

> we clearly saw this coming in 2019 The overwhelming majority of people, the common person on the street, did not see it coming. A week or two before my state got locked down I was at a meeting and for Other Business I said we need to establish how to hold next week's meeting online. Everyone there looked down at their hands, clearly thinking they were in the presence of a nut. Finally someone said, in the tone you talk to your drunk uncle at Thanksgiving who is a Fox News nut, "Well if a lockdown would ever happen we can email about it then."

pjc50 7y ago
Have you investigated how you get your news as a result? How was Italy at the time of that meeting?
- jimhefferon 7y ago
  Forgive me, I'm not sure what you mean. I perceive that the difference between them and me is professional training; I am a mathematician, in the Theory of Computation, and their training is in areas without the same consciousness about exponential growth. The meeting was a Ham Radio club and so draws from a wide range including both white collar and blue. I didn't mean to talk down about the folks there, who are generally intelligent and thoughtful, and I only told that story to illustrate that the typical person was not thinking about hunkering even that close to the lockdown moment.

vonmoltke 7y ago

> EDIT: to further prove my point, you didn't respond to the part of my post where I said we clearly saw this coming in 2019. it exactly disproves your point - we DID see national lockdowns, we just didn't care. China did not report this disease to the WHO until 31DEC. The first containment restrictions, a quarantine of the greater Wuhan area, was not put in place until 23JAN. Until a few weeks ago, the earliest known infection presented on 10DEC in Wuhan. So, how the hell did "we clearly saw this coming in 2019"? Where are the "national lockdowns" you claim existed?

JadeNB 7y ago
I don't know about national lockdowns, but there were plenty of predictions, not of SARS relatives specifically, but of flu-type pandemics, in 2019 and before: https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predict... .