> There's a significant difference in sophistication between the crude algos in Csound and the algos in successful commercial VSTs like Serum, Uhe's synths, the

> There's a significant difference in sophistication between the crude algos in Csound and the algos in successful commercial VSTs like Serum, Uhe's synths, the Roland Cloud collection, SoftTube, UAD, and FabFilter mixing tools, and so on. I don't know about "crude," but yeah. And honestly? There is no comparison between the components in Max/Pd/sc/ChuCK and any of this stuff either (I joke with my art-music friends that I like everything about Max except the sound ;). You'll never hear something like Cytomic's The Drop (a filter that can crush your CPU) or serious tape saturation, or sophisticated EQ curves with lots of warmth and character. It's true that you could create any kind of filter, oscillator, DSP-whatever you want with these systems, but in practice, the people working with these tools are not U-he-level DSP programmers, and it shows. I wish that weren't true, because I'd much rather code stuff csound-style than work in a DAW with a bunch of expensive plugins. But is it true that you can run VSTs in csound? Could you use commercial VSTs, but write fancy controllers in csound?