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But it literally is a strain of flu. And staying at home, sleeping and drinking a lot of water is exactly what the majority of people who contracted COVID are d

But it literally is a strain of flu. And staying at home, sleeping and drinking a lot of water is exactly what the majority of people who contracted COVID are doing at the moment. Or do you believe that there are 1.3 million people in hospitals or cemeteries right now?

paulgb 7y ago
> Or do you believe that there are 1.3 million people in hospitals or cemeteries right now? No, but I believe that in contrast to the flu, there are millions of healthy people (rightly) staying home right now. Are you saying that the lockdowns are unwarranted?
- atomashpolskiy 7y ago
  I'm not in the position to make such statements, but there is quite a number of medical professionals, who say exactly this: massive lockdowns of general population aren't necessary. As for me, I personally believe that the medicine is worse than the disease in this case. We can be quite certain at this point that there will be lots of casualties from the economical disruption, and whether the unconstrained virus could have caused more suffering is a question to be answered.
  - paulgb 7y ago
    > but there is quite a number of medical professionals, who say exactly this: massive lockdowns of general population aren't necessary Who?
    - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
      Consider this your homework. Google hasn't shutdown yet.
      - paulgb 7y ago
        Congratulations on finding a way to turn not having evidence to back up your argument into being condescending.
        atomashpolskiy 7y ago
        I just don't think you are seriously asking for information, because there is shitload on the Web already, but rather mocking me (judging by your one-worded response, which is rude). But in case I'm wrong, here's a nice collection of links to begin with, updated daily: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ Scroll to the bottom for most recent updates.
nullc 7y ago
> But it literally is a strain of flu. No, it literally is not. The flu is caused by influenza. Covid19 is caused by sars-cov-2, a relative of SARS-CoV which caused SARS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr... ). It is also a (more distant) relative of HCoV-OC43 which is one of the many viruses that cause the cold. The problems that influenza and sars-cov-2 cause for us are pretty different: Influenza mutates fairly quickly so we're not able to stop it completely with our otherwise highly effective vaccines, while even though they mutate comparatively much slower we don't have any effective drug treatments for coronaviruses: Some are not dangerous enough to have been economically interesting to develop treatments for while others were stopped by non-drug interventions (like the sick people dying too quickly and the detection of fever before the virus was highly communicable).
- atomashpolskiy 7y ago
  I was saying that this is yet another virus strain that causes flu-like illness, i.e. cold with fever, etc. Leave your pedantry for someone else.
  - nullc 7y ago
    I tend to reserve it for people who use "x is literally y" as the totality of their argument. :P
    - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
      You see, only a few months ago for the majority of people the word "flu" was a perferctly fine umbrella term for all of these viruses, including multiple coronaviruses. Now everyone is an expert virusologist with rigorous fervor for miniscule details. This is silly and drives us into the wrong direction, because the actual illness is not very different (it's a fact), but the amount of attention payed to it leads to huge overreaction. Oh, it's a relative of SARS, god forbid, oh my god, we're all going to die! Bullshit.
  - tigershark 7y ago
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rsynnott 7y ago
> But it literally is a strain of flu Eh? No, it is not. Who told you this? Whoever it was, stop listening to them. Bloody hell.
- atomashpolskiy 7y ago
  I was using the word "flu" in the broader sense. People commonly refer to virus-caused colds as simply flu. So what I was trying to say was that this is yet another virus that causes "flu".
  - rsynnott 7y ago
    Ah, I see, ‘flu’ in the ‘broader sense’ of basically bloody anything. Yes, I’ve got a touch of the bubonic plague today. Oh, I’m using ‘bubonic plague’ in the broader sense; I stubbed my toe.
    - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
      Note that it's you who is grossly exaggerating. Got anything meaningful to say regarding confirmed difference between flu and covid?

paulgb 7y ago

> Or do you believe that there are 1.3 million people in hospitals or cemeteries right now? No, but I believe that in contrast to the flu, there are millions of healthy people (rightly) staying home right now. Are you saying that the lockdowns are unwarranted?

atomashpolskiy 7y ago
I'm not in the position to make such statements, but there is quite a number of medical professionals, who say exactly this: massive lockdowns of general population aren't necessary. As for me, I personally believe that the medicine is worse than the disease in this case. We can be quite certain at this point that there will be lots of casualties from the economical disruption, and whether the unconstrained virus could have caused more suffering is a question to be answered.
- paulgb 7y ago
  > but there is quite a number of medical professionals, who say exactly this: massive lockdowns of general population aren't necessary Who?
  - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
    Consider this your homework. Google hasn't shutdown yet.
    - paulgb 7y ago
      Congratulations on finding a way to turn not having evidence to back up your argument into being condescending.
      - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
        I just don't think you are seriously asking for information, because there is shitload on the Web already, but rather mocking me (judging by your one-worded response, which is rude). But in case I'm wrong, here's a nice collection of links to begin with, updated daily: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ Scroll to the bottom for most recent updates.

nullc 7y ago

> But it literally is a strain of flu. No, it literally is not. The flu is caused by influenza. Covid19 is caused by sars-cov-2, a relative of SARS-CoV which caused SARS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr... ). It is also a (more distant) relative of HCoV-OC43 which is one of the many viruses that cause the cold. The problems that influenza and sars-cov-2 cause for us are pretty different: Influenza mutates fairly quickly so we're not able to stop it completely with our otherwise highly effective vaccines, while even though they mutate comparatively much slower we don't have any effective drug treatments for coronaviruses: Some are not dangerous enough to have been economically interesting to develop treatments for while others were stopped by non-drug interventions (like the sick people dying too quickly and the detection of fever before the virus was highly communicable).

atomashpolskiy 7y ago
I was saying that this is yet another virus strain that causes flu-like illness, i.e. cold with fever, etc. Leave your pedantry for someone else.
- nullc 7y ago
  I tend to reserve it for people who use "x is literally y" as the totality of their argument. :P
  - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
    You see, only a few months ago for the majority of people the word "flu" was a perferctly fine umbrella term for all of these viruses, including multiple coronaviruses. Now everyone is an expert virusologist with rigorous fervor for miniscule details. This is silly and drives us into the wrong direction, because the actual illness is not very different (it's a fact), but the amount of attention payed to it leads to huge overreaction. Oh, it's a relative of SARS, god forbid, oh my god, we're all going to die! Bullshit.
- tigershark 7y ago

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rsynnott 7y ago

> But it literally is a strain of flu Eh? No, it is not. Who told you this? Whoever it was, stop listening to them. Bloody hell.

atomashpolskiy 7y ago
I was using the word "flu" in the broader sense. People commonly refer to virus-caused colds as simply flu. So what I was trying to say was that this is yet another virus that causes "flu".
- rsynnott 7y ago
  Ah, I see, ‘flu’ in the ‘broader sense’ of basically bloody anything. Yes, I’ve got a touch of the bubonic plague today. Oh, I’m using ‘bubonic plague’ in the broader sense; I stubbed my toe.
  - atomashpolskiy 7y ago
    Note that it's you who is grossly exaggerating. Got anything meaningful to say regarding confirmed difference between flu and covid?