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As the previous discussion already noted it seems disingenuous. Spacex has real security concerns with national security secrets and trade assets. Schools pri
by irjustin 7y ago
As the previous discussion already noted it seems disingenuous.
Spacex has real security concerns with national security secrets and trade assets.
Schools primary goal should be accessibility when it comes to teaching and Zoom arguably with its better video/audio has the best even with glaring security flaws (that do not necessarily seem decidedly worse than Hangouts).
Banning Zoom seems to be getting on the negative news train and applying the old adage, "everything looks like a nail."
- Nullabillity 7y agoHow on earth is it acceptable to force students (who have pretty much no position to argue) to install what is effectively malware?
- puszczyk 7y agoWhat would you instead?
- zulln 7y agoYou can use Zoom online without installing anything.
- Nullabillity 7y agoAfter exhausting all other options. And the malware peddlers are still ultimately getting their payday.
- igetspam 7y agoI tried that the other day and could only get a 403. Is their web portal still active? I ended up just dialing in.
- GhostVII 7y agoThey disabled it temporarily (https://status.zoom.us/incidents/16ll08mmddk6 https://status.zoom.us/incidents/16ll08mmddk6)
- simonh 7y agoWe're talking about videos of children in their homes, in many cases probably their bedrooms. If they have to use it for school, they may also use it with their friends other than for school work as they will have it set up and know how to use it. I think the risks of illicit access to that material are pretty clear, and there are several serious vulnerabilities in Zoom that can grant direct access to video chats and saved videos, plus numerous other vulnerabilities.
- irjustin 7y agoSo why target Zoom specifically? You're asking a broader question of children's safety. 100% it's a valid concern, but video tele-learning should be under fire then.
- simonh 7y agoBecause Zoom in particular not only has numerous demonstrated security vulnerabilities, many of which are apparently intentional features, but has also shown a recklessly cavalier attitude to security generally. Surely it makes more sense to use and promote solutions from companies with better track records on security and privacy, which at this point seems to be pretty much anybody else.
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- eagsalazar2 7y agoZoom isn't being "targeted". They have repeatedly been in the news for gross security failures and personal privacy abuses. Other video services have not because they have not had this series of failures and abuses. That is not "targeting" zoom, that is reality being appropriately reported that zoom has bad and suspicious security practices and probably should be avoided.
- arcticbull 7y agoNone of that, while distasteful seems to signal any national security or personal security risk. This seems pretty hyperbolic. Why on earth would the Chinese government want access to videos of children in bedrooms? Ridiculous.
- battery_cowboy 7y agoThe reason SpaceX banned it is because of legal reasons: they can't export their tech. When children are involved, there are very similar legal concerns: they can't export the data associated with the children, aka: the video feed. I think both bans of Zoom are reasonable.
- valuearb 7y agoWhy would schools need to export video feeds?
- battery_cowboy 7y agoRight now it's been proven zoom lied about some parts of it's tech, particularly the end to end encryption part, so the state probably sees it as a legal risk if anything were to accidentally get out or get hacked.
- fermienrico 7y agoZoom sent data to Chinese data centers during the surge. Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-ceo-i-really-messed-up-on-security-as-coronavirus-drove-video-tools-appeal-11586031129 https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-ceo-i-really-messed-up-on-...
- eagsalazar2 7y ago"negative news train", disregarding importance of security for schools? What are you talking about? The negative news train is just the negative series of revelations about Zoom. There is no media conspiracy here.
- satysin 7y agoI respectfully disagree. I feel it is safe to say that Zoom have some serious issues in their development process. It seems every other day there is some new issue. Install fuckery on macOS, lying about E2EE, including code they did not properly understand, etc. We talk so much about wanting to protect children that we should not be using software that gives audio and video access to their computers that we do not have confidence in.
- thefounder 7y ago>> including code they did not properly understand, etc. Yeah we understand all of our code, right? I'm developing an Electron app. I let you guess how much I know about the code behind electron/chronium. >> We talk so much about wanting to protect children that we should not be using software that gives audio and video access to their computers that we do not have confidence in. Let's start banning facebook. Shall we?
- igetspam 7y agoI know you're saying that in jest but it's a good idea. If my wife wasn't sometimes active with a NPO, I'd have it filtered at the network.
- satysin 7y ago> Yeah we understand all of our code, right? I'm developing an Electron app. I let you guess how much I know about the code behind electron/chronium. I get your point however I feel there is a different between not having full understanding of the platform you are using (be it Electron, Windows, macOS, Linux, etc) and a small library from Facebook of all companies. The fact they were able to change/fix the issue within a day(?) says to me they just didn't bother to look at what it was really doing in the first place. > Let's start banning facebook. Shall we? Is Facebook not banned, or at least extremely restricted within the New York school network? My daughters school in the UK has a complete block on Facebook. But yes I would happily ban Facebook. I feel the value it adds is not worth the trade off. For the purely social connection functionality (which I do see value in obviously) there are other options that are not as dirty as Facebook.
- wdr1 7y ago> As the previous discussion already noted it seems disingenuous. > Schools primary goal should be accessibility when it comes to teaching and Zoom arguably with its better video/audio has the best even with glaring security flaws (that do not necessarily seem decidedly worse than Hangouts). Schools also have the primary goal that elementary school children are not exposed to male genitalia, pornography, graphic violence & the like under __any__ circumstances. It doesn't matter if the first occurrence was a zoombomb, and it's fixed now, or the standard tech reply of "oh, well, it's the had the wrong settings." Parents have zero tolerance for these things. They'll be coming for someone's head if it happens. Let alone if it happens again. And no school administrator is going to put their job on the line once trust in a platform is destoryed.