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Well the hassle in my experience is actually to ensure your mail doesn’t get flagged as spam. A note about German mail servers: if they have more than one thou

Well the hassle in my experience is actually to ensure your mail doesn’t get flagged as spam. A note about German mail servers: if they have more than one thousand users, they are required by law to setup a surveillance black box for the government since around 2004.

jooize 7y ago
Whoa, source regarding German email servers? Germany's privacy protections seem generally considered strong. > Germany introduced a data retention law that forces companies to store data for ten weeks. Fortunately, the German law does not affect Tutanota because email is explicitly excluded from the German data retention law. In addition, we are convinced that the law is against the German constitution. German Internet activists are already working on a constitutional complaint. They are fighting for the current law being declared unconstitutional - just like a previous German data retention law that was declared unconstitutional in 2010. — (2015-12-19) [2] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Germany [2]: https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/data-privacy-germany/ https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/data-privacy-germany/
- xenonite 7y ago
  Sure I can source this. I didn’t mean the data retention laws, but meant the government’s black box that a mail provider needs to put besides his mail server. Actually what I need to correct is the number: it is needed only for more than 10‘000 users. This box resides in the mail provider's network and used as a secure communication bridge with the government: If a judge requires the provider to start the surveillance of some email account, then the provider needs to transfer those mails onto the black box, which transmits it further to the government agency. https://www.golem.de/news/telekommunikationsueberwachung-wie-e-mail-ueberwachung-in-deutschland-funktioniert-1611-124292.html https://www.golem.de/news/telekommunikationsueberwachung-wie... https://posteo.de/blog/posteo-zur-m%C3%A4r-von-der-abh%C3%B6r-schnittstelle https://posteo.de/blog/posteo-zur-m%C3%A4r-von-der-abh%C3%B6...

jooize 7y ago

Whoa, source regarding German email servers? Germany's privacy protections seem generally considered strong. > Germany introduced a data retention law that forces companies to store data for ten weeks. Fortunately, the German law does not affect Tutanota because email is explicitly excluded from the German data retention law. In addition, we are convinced that the law is against the German constitution. German Internet activists are already working on a constitutional complaint. They are fighting for the current law being declared unconstitutional - just like a previous German data retention law that was declared unconstitutional in 2010. — (2015-12-19) [2] [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Germany [2]: https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/data-privacy-germany/ https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/data-privacy-germany/

xenonite 7y ago
Sure I can source this. I didn’t mean the data retention laws, but meant the government’s black box that a mail provider needs to put besides his mail server. Actually what I need to correct is the number: it is needed only for more than 10‘000 users. This box resides in the mail provider's network and used as a secure communication bridge with the government: If a judge requires the provider to start the surveillance of some email account, then the provider needs to transfer those mails onto the black box, which transmits it further to the government agency. https://www.golem.de/news/telekommunikationsueberwachung-wie-e-mail-ueberwachung-in-deutschland-funktioniert-1611-124292.html https://www.golem.de/news/telekommunikationsueberwachung-wie... https://posteo.de/blog/posteo-zur-m%C3%A4r-von-der-abh%C3%B6r-schnittstelle https://posteo.de/blog/posteo-zur-m%C3%A4r-von-der-abh%C3%B6...