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Why can't he hire people on a fixed term contract to avoid unemployment?

austhrow743 7y ago
Likely such a contract would be unattractive to potential desirable candidates unless he could pay a rate that would require higher mask prices.
- kevingadd 7y ago
  There are plenty of unemployed people who need to pay rent. If such a short term contract - getting paid to do relatively safe work and help fight the pandemic by making masks - isn't appealing that's probably because he's not paying enough. Everyone's already charging more for masks, he should be able to manage a decent market rate. To begin with, unemployed people in a pinch are probably willing to accept slightly lower pay.
WalterBright 7y ago
Businesses that try that often get sued by those employees after-the-fact to get the benefits of employment. Then the courts decide if they were really employees or not. Like the current Uber driver case.
BeetleB 7y ago
> Why can't he hire people on a fixed term contract to avoid unemployment? There are laws about what constitutes contractors vs employees - both federal and state. If you satisfy N out of M items in a checklist, you are an employee, regardless of whether both parties want you to be. Controlling how you do your job is one of them. If the employer directs how you can do the job and doesn't give you freedom to do it your own way, that's a major item. If your employer doesn't let you bring your own equipment, that's another one. If you do not have a chance of losing money on the contract, that's another one. Say you hire a contractor to repair your roof, and he screws it up. Typically he is expected to fix it even if he ends up with a net loss (or he can refuse and not get paid at all). When an employee screws up, the worst that will happen is he'll get fired. And so on. It's very unlikely these people can be contractors unless he's hiring experienced folks who know the equipment.
- jlokier 7y ago
  Fixed term employment contracts are an option too. They are quite common. E.g. nearly everyone in academia. I think you have misunderstood the suggestion; it's not about contractors vs. employees, it's about fixed-term versus not. Fixed-term employees are not classed as contractors. They are regular employees with all the usual benefits and rights of employement - except that it comes to an end at a pre-determined date, unless extended.
  - fidelramos 7y ago
    How do you expect businesses to gamble with a predetermined end date that will probably not match the actual end of the pandemic? Regulations have many unseen side effects that end up causing damage, people should think harder about them and they would realize that in many cases (most in my opinion) they do more harm than good.
  - BeetleB 7y ago
    I see. So what happens when the contract ends? Can they not apply for unemployment? And if they do, will it still not affect the business's premiums?

Likely such a contract would be unattractive to potential desirable candidates unless he could pay a rate that would require higher mask prices.

kevingadd 7y ago
There are plenty of unemployed people who need to pay rent. If such a short term contract - getting paid to do relatively safe work and help fight the pandemic by making masks - isn't appealing that's probably because he's not paying enough. Everyone's already charging more for masks, he should be able to manage a decent market rate. To begin with, unemployed people in a pinch are probably willing to accept slightly lower pay.

WalterBright 7y ago

Businesses that try that often get sued by those employees after-the-fact to get the benefits of employment. Then the courts decide if they were really employees or not. Like the current Uber driver case.

BeetleB 7y ago

> Why can't he hire people on a fixed term contract to avoid unemployment? There are laws about what constitutes contractors vs employees - both federal and state. If you satisfy N out of M items in a checklist, you are an employee, regardless of whether both parties want you to be. Controlling how you do your job is one of them. If the employer directs how you can do the job and doesn't give you freedom to do it your own way, that's a major item. If your employer doesn't let you bring your own equipment, that's another one. If you do not have a chance of losing money on the contract, that's another one. Say you hire a contractor to repair your roof, and he screws it up. Typically he is expected to fix it even if he ends up with a net loss (or he can refuse and not get paid at all). When an employee screws up, the worst that will happen is he'll get fired. And so on. It's very unlikely these people can be contractors unless he's hiring experienced folks who know the equipment.

jlokier 7y ago
Fixed term employment contracts are an option too. They are quite common. E.g. nearly everyone in academia. I think you have misunderstood the suggestion; it's not about contractors vs. employees, it's about fixed-term versus not. Fixed-term employees are not classed as contractors. They are regular employees with all the usual benefits and rights of employement - except that it comes to an end at a pre-determined date, unless extended.
- fidelramos 7y ago
  How do you expect businesses to gamble with a predetermined end date that will probably not match the actual end of the pandemic? Regulations have many unseen side effects that end up causing damage, people should think harder about them and they would realize that in many cases (most in my opinion) they do more harm than good.
- BeetleB 7y ago
  I see. So what happens when the contract ends? Can they not apply for unemployment? And if they do, will it still not affect the business's premiums?