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From the article: "Being effective in a company also means working hard, being reliable, and being an excellent member of the team." Translation: keep your he

From the article: "Being effective in a company also means working hard, being reliable, and being an excellent member of the team." Translation: keep your head down, don't rock the boat and don't have any passion for what you do. This is the recipe for 'success' (i.e. continued employment) at big companies. "As a result, a company needs lots of smart, super engaged employees who can identify its particular weaknesses and help it improve them. However, sometimes really smart employees develop agendas other than improving the company." No. These so called 'agendas' don't just mysteriously appear. What happens is that the big company goes to great lengths to hire smart people, and then even greater lengths to ignore them. At this point, the smart employee has two options (1) stay or (2) leave. From sarahmccrum's comment in this thread: "I saw that most of the clever people who were around left, often when they were most needed" That's the second scenario, the smart person says "screw it" and leaves. Sometimes that is the most mature decision. If some behaviour that is bad for the company is deeply engrained, is it really worth the futile tilting at windmills quest to get it changed? Perhaps they have gone on such crusades before only to get burnt (at the stake). In the first scenario, where they stay, what are they going to do? They can (a) decide to ignore the thing that is bad for the company, (b) decide to keep banging their head against the wall in the same way, (c) escalate - by trying to change the way that they communicate the seriousness of the problem or the audience (brass didn't listen, maybe the grass(roots) will?). (a) shows low levels of motivation or commitment to the company (but hey, apparently that is a good thing so long as you hide it (sarcasm)), additionally, it can be genuinely difficult for smart people to ignore situations that are sub-optimal. If you're a programmer and your job basically boils down to 'fix things' ... it is very hard to draw the line and not try to fix a broken process. It is that itch that needs to be scratched. (b) is just going to continue to get them ignored, or perhaps labelled as 'not a team player'. Way to go corporate culture. Eventually they'll get fired or tired and switch to a different strategy. (c) is the 'problem'. Smart people aren't always good sales people. And it is fundamentally a sales problem, where they need to identify the right people to make the change, and then sell them on the idea (by convincing them they will save money, and that it was their idea in the first place). Now the geeks with low social skills is a common cliché, lets ignore that tired and played out meme... ...consider if you will the problem of identifying exactly who the people are to get on board with the change. Power flows in strange ways in big companies, it isn't always just a linear thing directly from the top to the bottom. In my experience it is almost never linear. Identifying the true power structure in a corporation (for a particular change that is required) is enormously difficult. Moreover, the underlying power structure can change depending on what the problem is, or over time, or any of many different variables can effect what the true power structure is on day X for problem Y. Becoming a better communicator is practically trivial compared to the problem of identifying the correct power structure to address the problem. So you might think the moral of the story is that geeks need to become better communicators. But NO! Certainly not! Becoming a better communicator is the path to either management or architecture, neither of which is a fate that I would wish on anybody. For the smart person stuck in a stupid situation, the smart thing is just to move on. It doesn't matter that you are not loyal to the company, you gave it a good shot. Try to leave on good terms (itself a marketing problem (blah blah professional development etc)). Loyalty doesn't matter, because the company has zero loyalty to you. And true loyalty must be bi-directional.

kahawe 16y ago
It is really sad how relevant and spot on your analysis is. I have moved from a small typical 10-15 guys IT shop to a well established national player in private banking and it is unbelievable how crippling and exhausting work is there - but I am working much fewer hours for a much better pay. The attrition of daily 9-5 not-project work, all "serious business" and no "play" is horrible for even a mildly creative person in a typical "knowledge work" position... And I love how even big corporations are usually presented as if they were making clear cut, sensible and rational decisions based on facts. This could not further from the truth. Too bad you only find out about that once you actually start working a real job - nobody gives you that truth in university.
- pointernil 16y ago
  True... and consider your self lucky. Joining an operation like this at a later stage usually makes it easier to leave it behind when it is really due, compared to the situation where you accompany it from its beginning and wake up at some point in time entangled into "serious business" / "enterprise" setup ... unable to leave it behind due to some irrational connection to some people or some of your knowledge work done there... humans are so well suited to get exploited due to their irrational traits which the "enterprise" world still ignores still so profoundly.
- Stormbringer 16y ago
  (part 1 of my 2000 word essay) (sorry, my bad) I know several people who have worked for 20 or more years at the same large organisation (government or corporate) and it blows my mind. I have a friend who works at a local retail business whose boss is universally despised. Every time I think I have some sob story about the stupid architects and their dazzlingly defunct Ant file - I just need to swap stories with him to be quickly humbled and realise that perhaps things are not so bad for me after all. This boss of his is a guy who can throw a party, invite everyone and have an open bar (literally free as in beer)... and yet not have anyone turn up. This guy is such a colossal spoon that he can't even give away free alcohol. The mind boggles. I really don't know how my friend and these 20 year veterans of corporate bungling manage to stick it out. I think that it is, in a way, a triumph of grit and determination and character under severe and prolonged stress. I think perhaps there is something in them that instead of getting more and more frustrated with each new offense to common sense, they are able to let last weeks insanity go. They've found some way to continually 'build a bridge and get over it', or perhaps they've seen so much insanity that they have built up an immunity to it, I don't know. The sprinter may go faster, but the marathon runner goes further. At the other end of the 'lifer' spectrum, are the people who stick it out because of fear. They take enormous abuse because they fear something worse than their current job. So they get bullied mercilessly. I knew one chap who was so scared of job interviews that he wouldn't even consider looking for work elsewhere. The people who live in constant fear are the one I pity the most. I genuinely feel bad for them. ---- But I suppose if I were to turn it around and look at us from their point of view I would see other things. Perhaps they would see the incredible psychological pressure of financial uncertainty. Being the first ones to get shot in a revolution, I mean recession. Not knowing where your next contract or next big customer is going to come from. ------ Specifically for the situation you mention, large financial institutions there are a number of things to master: The first of these is regime change. Every couple of years (or perhaps more frequently) you will get new boss, or a new layer of bosses. They might for instance hire an ex-consultant at high level who 'mysteriously' somehow ends up bringing in his old firm to replace everyone or brings in a bunch of his old cronies to work under him, who bring in their buddies (etc). This can be quite a sudden thing, and you have to be genuinely nimble to survive (somehow running along on top of the avalanche). The second thing is that many projects are going to fail, and even if you did the majority of the work and almost got it across the line all by yourself and the rest of the team of 20 did less combined than you, you can still end up getting blamed for failure. The blame game is very important and there are some strategies you can use to avoid being 'it', such as documenting the instructions you've been given, and not burning bridges, and cultivating friendships outside of your group (so that when (or preferably before) the project burns down, you teleport to safety in another project). Personally I don't do so well at this. I get far too attached to the imaginary win condition of the project succeeding, and so I force it across the line even if it means pissing off a lot of other people. If I could somehow find it within me to let projects fail I would probably have done better in banking. (HN spat the dummy at my patented wall of text (tm), so I have to break this up into multiple posts, apologies in advance, hope you find it useful)

kahawe 16y ago

It is really sad how relevant and spot on your analysis is. I have moved from a small typical 10-15 guys IT shop to a well established national player in private banking and it is unbelievable how crippling and exhausting work is there - but I am working much fewer hours for a much better pay. The attrition of daily 9-5 not-project work, all "serious business" and no "play" is horrible for even a mildly creative person in a typical "knowledge work" position... And I love how even big corporations are usually presented as if they were making clear cut, sensible and rational decisions based on facts. This could not further from the truth. Too bad you only find out about that once you actually start working a real job - nobody gives you that truth in university.

pointernil 16y ago
True... and consider your self lucky. Joining an operation like this at a later stage usually makes it easier to leave it behind when it is really due, compared to the situation where you accompany it from its beginning and wake up at some point in time entangled into "serious business" / "enterprise" setup ... unable to leave it behind due to some irrational connection to some people or some of your knowledge work done there... humans are so well suited to get exploited due to their irrational traits which the "enterprise" world still ignores still so profoundly.
Stormbringer 16y ago
(part 1 of my 2000 word essay) (sorry, my bad) I know several people who have worked for 20 or more years at the same large organisation (government or corporate) and it blows my mind. I have a friend who works at a local retail business whose boss is universally despised. Every time I think I have some sob story about the stupid architects and their dazzlingly defunct Ant file - I just need to swap stories with him to be quickly humbled and realise that perhaps things are not so bad for me after all. This boss of his is a guy who can throw a party, invite everyone and have an open bar (literally free as in beer)... and yet not have anyone turn up. This guy is such a colossal spoon that he can't even give away free alcohol. The mind boggles. I really don't know how my friend and these 20 year veterans of corporate bungling manage to stick it out. I think that it is, in a way, a triumph of grit and determination and character under severe and prolonged stress. I think perhaps there is something in them that instead of getting more and more frustrated with each new offense to common sense, they are able to let last weeks insanity go. They've found some way to continually 'build a bridge and get over it', or perhaps they've seen so much insanity that they have built up an immunity to it, I don't know. The sprinter may go faster, but the marathon runner goes further. At the other end of the 'lifer' spectrum, are the people who stick it out because of fear. They take enormous abuse because they fear something worse than their current job. So they get bullied mercilessly. I knew one chap who was so scared of job interviews that he wouldn't even consider looking for work elsewhere. The people who live in constant fear are the one I pity the most. I genuinely feel bad for them. ---- But I suppose if I were to turn it around and look at us from their point of view I would see other things. Perhaps they would see the incredible psychological pressure of financial uncertainty. Being the first ones to get shot in a revolution, I mean recession. Not knowing where your next contract or next big customer is going to come from. ------ Specifically for the situation you mention, large financial institutions there are a number of things to master: The first of these is regime change. Every couple of years (or perhaps more frequently) you will get new boss, or a new layer of bosses. They might for instance hire an ex-consultant at high level who 'mysteriously' somehow ends up bringing in his old firm to replace everyone or brings in a bunch of his old cronies to work under him, who bring in their buddies (etc). This can be quite a sudden thing, and you have to be genuinely nimble to survive (somehow running along on top of the avalanche). The second thing is that many projects are going to fail, and even if you did the majority of the work and almost got it across the line all by yourself and the rest of the team of 20 did less combined than you, you can still end up getting blamed for failure. The blame game is very important and there are some strategies you can use to avoid being 'it', such as documenting the instructions you've been given, and not burning bridges, and cultivating friendships outside of your group (so that when (or preferably before) the project burns down, you teleport to safety in another project). Personally I don't do so well at this. I get far too attached to the imaginary win condition of the project succeeding, and so I force it across the line even if it means pissing off a lot of other people. If I could somehow find it within me to let projects fail I would probably have done better in banking. (HN spat the dummy at my patented wall of text (tm), so I have to break this up into multiple posts, apologies in advance, hope you find it useful)