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> So you think FaceTime and “green bubbles” is the only reason that people spend more than twice as much on iPhones than Androids - even though cross platform c

> So you think FaceTime and “green bubbles” is the only reason that people spend more than twice as much on iPhones than Androids - even though cross platform chat/video call apps like WhatsApp and Messenger are far more popular - even on iPhones? The camera, blue bubbles, and FaceTime (audio as well as video). Brand and ecosystem are secondary, UI/UX are fleeting, and there seem early indications that iPhones may become seen as "grandma's phone" like Macs in the mid '90s. Scale effects and supply chain are contingent on demand. > WhatsApp and Messenger are far more popular Grandma only knows how to use FaceTime. > iPads are the only tablets that actually sell > Also, the personal computer isn’t nearly as relevant Agreed, iPad and Mac sales are basically irrelevant compared to iPhone, because tablets and desktops and laptops are almost niche compared to the scale of mobile worldwide. No indication that any post-mobile devices (i.e. watches, glasses, goggles) will approach the size of the smartphone market. > So you built an iOS app because of Safari and Apple’s evil lock in but you ended up spending money on an Android app anyway. So it was irrelevant because you couldn’t go to market with just a web app anyway.... Yeah, in 2016. We were contending with iPhone 4s and the first generation of Android phones that could reasonably perform browser-based video calls and overheating handsets and draining batteries after 20+ min video surveys and no WebRTC support from Apple yet and a bunch of 3G. I didn't start thinking about Apple's potential antitrust violations ("evil lock in") until evaluating re-entering the video chat space in 2018. In 2020, with contemporary hardware, one shouldn't still need to download some native app in order to perform a video call. > Again there is an existence proof that isn’t true. Not only does Apple not force I specifically said funnel, not force. The strategy is to get developers into the sale pipeline and on the radar for competitive analysis. Zoom has considered handling payments through the App Store, but decided against it because they support multiple platforms and have the resources to build their own subscription infrastructure. > There is an existence proof that you are wrong about the Justice Department “forced” Microsoft to unbundle IE and Windows. IE is still bundled with Windows over 20 years later. Hah, yes—but now you can delete it! > Swift wasn’t introduced until 2014. Any startup that was crazy enough to use Swift then was making a very bad decision. Also the performance and hardware of the average Android phone is still crappy. I should have said "native iOS development." Swift over Objective-C felt like a good decision, we worked with strong contractors who were motivated to use newer tech, perf was good, the code was clean and didn't require much ongoing maintenance, our CTO was able to jump in later and make changes efficiently. It was just a huge distraction to need to build an iOS app, go through the App Store, etc., but we wouldn't have been able to get traction without it.

scarface74 7y ago
The camera, blue bubbles, and FaceTime (audio as well as video). Brand and ecosystem are secondary, UI/UX are fleeting, and there seem early indications that iPhones may become seen as "grandma's phone" like Macs in the mid '90s. Scale effects and supply chain are contingent on demand. So brand and ecosystem are “fleeting”. When are you predicting that the iPhone - which has been around and profitable since 2007 will fail? Better example is the Mac, while all other non Microsoft compatible operating systems have died, the Mac has been around for 35 years. So you think all of the cool kids are going to use crappy $300 Android phones? Grandma only knows how to use FaceTime. So from what I see most older people are using cheap Android phones. Unless you believe that Apple’s 13% worldwide market share is only made up of grandma. If Google can’t make a decent video app after four failed attempts, whose fault is that? I thought Google was made up of all these “smart people” (tm). Yeah, in 2016. We were contending with iPhone 4s and the first generation of Android phones that could reasonably perform browser-based video calls and overheating handsets and draining batteries after 20+ min video surveys and no WebRTC support from Apple yet and a bunch of 3G. By 2016, the iPhone 4s was 5 years old. But you said you were forced to make an app for Android anyway. Also, 4G was ubiquitous on even low end phones by then. But as far as performance, even today most Android phones are crappy prepaid phones sold by second rate carriers like MetroPCS and Boost Mobile. I specifically said funnel, not force. The strategy is to get developers into the sale pipeline and on the radar for competitive analysis. Zoom has considered handling payments through the App Store, but decided against it because they support multiple platforms and have the resources to build their own subscription infrastructure. Do you realize how easy it is to build your own subscription infrastructure? ACloudGuru is definitely not a multi-billion dollar company and they have their own subscription infrastructure that you have to use - as does LinuxAcademy (now owned by ACG) So you mean companies want to do things to funnel companies into their sales pipeline - I’m shocked - a customer acquisition strategy? How novel. Hah, yes—but now you can delete it! Just like you can “delete” Safari on iOS but the underlying rendering engine is still embedded in the OS - just like IE. It was just a huge distraction to need to build an iOS app, go through the App Store, etc., but we wouldn't have been able to get traction without it. But it wasn’t a huge distraction to build the Android app....
- maxwell 7y ago

scarface74 7y ago

The camera, blue bubbles, and FaceTime (audio as well as video). Brand and ecosystem are secondary, UI/UX are fleeting, and there seem early indications that iPhones may become seen as "grandma's phone" like Macs in the mid '90s. Scale effects and supply chain are contingent on demand. So brand and ecosystem are “fleeting”. When are you predicting that the iPhone - which has been around and profitable since 2007 will fail? Better example is the Mac, while all other non Microsoft compatible operating systems have died, the Mac has been around for 35 years. So you think all of the cool kids are going to use crappy $300 Android phones? Grandma only knows how to use FaceTime. So from what I see most older people are using cheap Android phones. Unless you believe that Apple’s 13% worldwide market share is only made up of grandma. If Google can’t make a decent video app after four failed attempts, whose fault is that? I thought Google was made up of all these “smart people” (tm). Yeah, in 2016. We were contending with iPhone 4s and the first generation of Android phones that could reasonably perform browser-based video calls and overheating handsets and draining batteries after 20+ min video surveys and no WebRTC support from Apple yet and a bunch of 3G. By 2016, the iPhone 4s was 5 years old. But you said you were forced to make an app for Android anyway. Also, 4G was ubiquitous on even low end phones by then. But as far as performance, even today most Android phones are crappy prepaid phones sold by second rate carriers like MetroPCS and Boost Mobile. I specifically said funnel, not force. The strategy is to get developers into the sale pipeline and on the radar for competitive analysis. Zoom has considered handling payments through the App Store, but decided against it because they support multiple platforms and have the resources to build their own subscription infrastructure. Do you realize how easy it is to build your own subscription infrastructure? ACloudGuru is definitely not a multi-billion dollar company and they have their own subscription infrastructure that you have to use - as does LinuxAcademy (now owned by ACG) So you mean companies want to do things to funnel companies into their sales pipeline - I’m shocked - a customer acquisition strategy? How novel. Hah, yes—but now you can delete it! Just like you can “delete” Safari on iOS but the underlying rendering engine is still embedded in the OS - just like IE. It was just a huge distraction to need to build an iOS app, go through the App Store, etc., but we wouldn't have been able to get traction without it. But it wasn’t a huge distraction to build the Android app....

maxwell 7y ago