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This is too funny -- pompous BBC with their "other people spread fake news" shtick. All media outlets are guilty of bending the truth, often outright inventing

This is too funny -- pompous BBC with their "other people spread fake news" shtick. All media outlets are guilty of bending the truth, often outright inventing stories to fit their preferred narratives. This is not "new", this has just been pearl-clutching since they've realised they no longer can control the narrative in society. Go look up how the majority of western media outlets were pushing "just the flu" about coronavirus as late as early March. (This is BOTH on the left and right, nobody is innocent in this). If you want to see the real history of fake news, or "founder" as it may be, read up on Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Pulitzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Pulitzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism *Edit -- look, I don't take the downvotes personally, I get that this is a huge cognitive short-circuit for many folks who read this site -- a large part of your learning comes from reading and understanding from so-called authoritative sources. It is certainly very difficult to realise (in the most unpleasant way possible, ie your candidate lost an election, or your countrymen successfully voted against the EU, or that masks-dont-work-oh-wait-they-actually-do) that the sources you've learned some positive things in your life from have biases, are fallible, and with the rise of "measuring engagement", are all in huge race to the bottom for immense pandering and therefore carefully crafted narratives. Feeling discombobulated is fine, but let's not lie to ourselves that any of that is "news" or "fair and balanced". Wishing all of you a good day.

new2628 7y ago
Dear fellow HN'ers, please don't downvote a comment as a reflex if you disagree with it and consider engaging a point on its merits. Hiding viewpoints you disagree with creates an echo chamber.
- op00to 7y ago
  Please don't try to influence people how to vote with replies to the comment.
  - LocalH 7y ago
    Outside of that, do you disagree with the rest of their statement?
    - ooobit2 7y ago
      Late, but wanted to point out: No, they can read but they also can't read too.
- LocalH 7y ago
  I agree with your comment, but unfortunately HN guidelines suggest that we shouldn't discuss comment voting (outside of, perhaps, a larger meta-HN discussion). So I don't expect your comment to last long either. For what it's worth, I upvoted the originally-referenced comment.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  The comment is getting downvoted because it claims the BBC spreads fake news but then gives no evidence for it, instead pointing to Hearst publications from more than a hundred years ago. Hiding poorly argued viewpoints creates an echo chamber of well-reasoned arguments, which converges on the truth. Do you consider arithmetic textbooks an echo chamber for endlessly parroting that 2+2=4?
  - knolax 7y ago
    I think there's more nuance to that. Not all truths are as easily proven as 2+2=4. Usually an echo chamber is only considered as such when the people parroting a "fact" do so with confidence that far exceeds any proof that they can provide. The mask issue GP brings up is a great example. Before the COVID-19 outbreak most people generally regarded the practice of wearing face masks in Asia with scorn. If you asked them about it they would invariably bring up the same fact that "virii are too small and will pass through the mask". However, very few would be able to cite sources, and even fewer then would have an accurate enough understanding of how virii spread to know that most of the time the virus is a part of a much larger particle[1][2] that masks are effective at preventing to some extant[3]. It's not surprising that most people wouldn't have a perfect understanding of epidemiology, but it does become suspicious when a large group of people all become overconfidently wrong in exactly the same way. This is what I would consider to be an echo chamber. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi... This source confirms that coronavirus spreads via droplet. [2] https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/drugresist/WHO_CDS_CSR_EPH_2002_12/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/drugresist/WH... This source defines "droplet as being particles greater than μm in diameter on page 44. [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/#!po=35.9375 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/#!po=35... This article measures a protection factor of ~4 for a surgical mask when measuring with a detector that detects particles ranging from 0.02 to 1㎛.
TomJansen 7y ago
It's funny that you accuse mainstream media of bending the truth while linking to Wikipedia, a website actually known for its top editors having an political agenda.
- codeddesign 7y ago
  Show me a mainstream news outlet that doesn’t have a political agenda ;)
MrPatan 7y ago
It's too much. This comment is right on the money and graying out by the second. I think it's because both sets of morons think it goes against them. A job well done, too bad at this rate nobody will see it.
- deleted 7y ago
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op00to 7y ago
Uh, no. No major media I consumed in the US was pushing "just a flu".
- lucio 7y ago
  https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1242674537491320832/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/12426745374913208...
  - hef19898 7y ago
    This link is kind of ironic.
  - twic 7y ago
    And the top (for me) response: they left off the word VACCINE. it is just the FLU VACCINE causing a hyper-immune reaction, a cytokeine storm that is triggered by pansy corona causing a body to attack itself; no one is dying from corona:: This world is lost.
- deleted 7y ago
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catalogia 7y ago
'Fake news', 'yellow journalism', and 'public relations' are all just euphemisms for propaganda. At best they describe particular forms of propaganda.

new2628 7y ago

Dear fellow HN'ers, please don't downvote a comment as a reflex if you disagree with it and consider engaging a point on its merits. Hiding viewpoints you disagree with creates an echo chamber.

op00to 7y ago
Please don't try to influence people how to vote with replies to the comment.
- LocalH 7y ago
  Outside of that, do you disagree with the rest of their statement?
  - ooobit2 7y ago
    Late, but wanted to point out: No, they can read but they also can't read too.
LocalH 7y ago
I agree with your comment, but unfortunately HN guidelines suggest that we shouldn't discuss comment voting (outside of, perhaps, a larger meta-HN discussion). So I don't expect your comment to last long either. For what it's worth, I upvoted the originally-referenced comment.
lern_too_spel 7y ago
The comment is getting downvoted because it claims the BBC spreads fake news but then gives no evidence for it, instead pointing to Hearst publications from more than a hundred years ago. Hiding poorly argued viewpoints creates an echo chamber of well-reasoned arguments, which converges on the truth. Do you consider arithmetic textbooks an echo chamber for endlessly parroting that 2+2=4?
- knolax 7y ago
  I think there's more nuance to that. Not all truths are as easily proven as 2+2=4. Usually an echo chamber is only considered as such when the people parroting a "fact" do so with confidence that far exceeds any proof that they can provide. The mask issue GP brings up is a great example. Before the COVID-19 outbreak most people generally regarded the practice of wearing face masks in Asia with scorn. If you asked them about it they would invariably bring up the same fact that "virii are too small and will pass through the mask". However, very few would be able to cite sources, and even fewer then would have an accurate enough understanding of how virii spread to know that most of the time the virus is a part of a much larger particle[1][2] that masks are effective at preventing to some extant[3]. It's not surprising that most people wouldn't have a perfect understanding of epidemiology, but it does become suspicious when a large group of people all become overconfidently wrong in exactly the same way. This is what I would consider to be an echo chamber. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi... This source confirms that coronavirus spreads via droplet. [2] https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/drugresist/WHO_CDS_CSR_EPH_2002_12/en/ https://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/drugresist/WH... This source defines "droplet as being particles greater than μm in diameter on page 44. [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/#!po=35.9375 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/#!po=35... This article measures a protection factor of ~4 for a surgical mask when measuring with a detector that detects particles ranging from 0.02 to 1㎛.

TomJansen 7y ago

It's funny that you accuse mainstream media of bending the truth while linking to Wikipedia, a website actually known for its top editors having an political agenda.

codeddesign 7y ago
Show me a mainstream news outlet that doesn’t have a political agenda ;)

MrPatan 7y ago

It's too much. This comment is right on the money and graying out by the second. I think it's because both sets of morons think it goes against them. A job well done, too bad at this rate nobody will see it.

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op00to 7y ago

Uh, no. No major media I consumed in the US was pushing "just a flu".

lucio 7y ago
https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1242674537491320832/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/12426745374913208...
- hef19898 7y ago
  This link is kind of ironic.
- twic 7y ago
  And the top (for me) response: they left off the word VACCINE. it is just the FLU VACCINE causing a hyper-immune reaction, a cytokeine storm that is triggered by pansy corona causing a body to attack itself; no one is dying from corona:: This world is lost.
deleted 7y ago
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catalogia 7y ago

'Fake news', 'yellow journalism', and 'public relations' are all just euphemisms for propaganda. At best they describe particular forms of propaganda.