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You're completely wrong about deadlifts https://www.livestrong.com/article/450195-do-deadlifts-wear-out-the-spine-discs/ https://www.livestrong.com/article/450

You're completely wrong about deadlifts https://www.livestrong.com/article/450195-do-deadlifts-wear-out-the-spine-discs/ https://www.livestrong.com/article/450195-do-deadlifts-wear-... And in fact deadlifts are very often prescribed for those suffering from lower back pain (even if not 600lb deadlifts) https://www.livestrong.com/article/450195-do-deadlifts-wear-out-the-spine-discs/ https://www.livestrong.com/article/450195-do-deadlifts-wear-... If you're going to claim that poor form leads to problems well then I guess we shouldn't be walking around either for fear of tripping. And since we're dealing in anecdotes here: I have two bulging discs and the only thing that keeps me from throwing out my back is my heavy deadlift routine (not 600 but regularly 425-450).

dirtyid 7y ago
I wasn't arguing against deadlifting. I was arguing that the correct strength training recommendation for general population is a baseline that optimizes for useful amount of strength, protective amount of muscle and minimal amount of injury. And for me that level is shockingly low, i.e the NASA low BW multiplier prescription. Everything beyond that is basically for enthusiasts with elevated injury risk over a long enough time scale. There's nothing wrong with enjoying lifting as a hobby so long as it's understood that training for strength past a certain point is the opposite of exercising for health. See my Barbell Medicine endorsement above, I mentioned that strength training, i.e. deadlifts is a good rehabilitation tool that's often under-prescribed as medical incentives doesn't align with cheap gym memberships. Though ironically for me, deadlifts is the best rehab for deadlift injuries. My best gym pull is 660 @ 185. My observations in powerlifting is that injuries in squats/deadlifts doesn't start to mount until "enthusiasts" start trying grinding past their intermediate plateau because they're motivated but also reckless. This typically occurs between 2x-2.5x BW. Sometimes it's hot headed kids on stupid programs who thinks they're invincible, and sometimes it's just diligent trainees who misgrooves one rep on a 90% topset after 5 years of training. It's not a question about poor form but high statistical likelihood when regularly dealing with heavy weights over many reps for many years. The heavier one lifts relative to whatever individual genetics allow, the more catastrophic a misgroved rep becomes. It's simple leverages. Force/stress from 405lb vs 225lb on a misgrooved moment-arm doesn't scale proportionally to load. 1/3 of lifters about above novice skill experience lower back injury of some sort (see stronger by science link I posted) which makes heavy training not something I would endorse for people just looking for to exercise for health. >we shouldn't be walking around either for fear of tripping. My endorsement is the minimum amount strength train necessary so a trip doesn't shatter your hips (particularly older populations), which is very low but sufficient bar.

dirtyid 7y ago

I wasn't arguing against deadlifting. I was arguing that the correct strength training recommendation for general population is a baseline that optimizes for useful amount of strength, protective amount of muscle and minimal amount of injury. And for me that level is shockingly low, i.e the NASA low BW multiplier prescription. Everything beyond that is basically for enthusiasts with elevated injury risk over a long enough time scale. There's nothing wrong with enjoying lifting as a hobby so long as it's understood that training for strength past a certain point is the opposite of exercising for health. See my Barbell Medicine endorsement above, I mentioned that strength training, i.e. deadlifts is a good rehabilitation tool that's often under-prescribed as medical incentives doesn't align with cheap gym memberships. Though ironically for me, deadlifts is the best rehab for deadlift injuries. My best gym pull is 660 @ 185. My observations in powerlifting is that injuries in squats/deadlifts doesn't start to mount until "enthusiasts" start trying grinding past their intermediate plateau because they're motivated but also reckless. This typically occurs between 2x-2.5x BW. Sometimes it's hot headed kids on stupid programs who thinks they're invincible, and sometimes it's just diligent trainees who misgrooves one rep on a 90% topset after 5 years of training. It's not a question about poor form but high statistical likelihood when regularly dealing with heavy weights over many reps for many years. The heavier one lifts relative to whatever individual genetics allow, the more catastrophic a misgroved rep becomes. It's simple leverages. Force/stress from 405lb vs 225lb on a misgrooved moment-arm doesn't scale proportionally to load. 1/3 of lifters about above novice skill experience lower back injury of some sort (see stronger by science link I posted) which makes heavy training not something I would endorse for people just looking for to exercise for health. >we shouldn't be walking around either for fear of tripping. My endorsement is the minimum amount strength train necessary so a trip doesn't shatter your hips (particularly older populations), which is very low but sufficient bar.