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I can tick the 10+ years COBOL box nicely, though that was 30+ years ago and with that, somebody with 1-3 years COBOL would be more effective than somebody as m

by Zenst 7y ago

I can tick the 10+ years COBOL box nicely, though that was 30+ years ago and with that, somebody with 1-3 years COBOL would be more effective than somebody as myself. Still, in an era of movie superheroes, who knew that having 10+ years upon your CV would enable you to go, step aside good citizens, for I shall save you. COBOL man to the rescue.

LeoTinnitus 7y ago
Everytime I see COBOL, I always think of Newman from Jurassic Park and imagine that is a stereotypical COBOL programmer haha! If you see any bosses with a weird scarf, back away cause they may spit corona-acid in your face!
- bryanrasmussen 7y ago
  Newman is some sort of Pascal programmer https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/28030/source-code-on-nedrys-workstation-real-programming-language-s https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/28030/source-code...
- DrScump 7y ago
  That film's horrible misrepresentation of UNIX almost ruined it for me.
  - agildehaus 7y ago
    How exactly? Versus something like CSI, Jurassic Park got a lot of things right. The computers used were real SGI SPARCStations and they had a bunch of Thinking Machines CM-5s for gene sequencing in the background shots. I believe all of the on-screen shots were done with real Irix software (including the scene where they locked the doors, which was done using a real IRIX file manager called "fsn"). Sure it was given the Hollywood treatment, but it'd be pretty boring if they didn't.
    - DonHopkins 7y ago
      Sun made SPARCstations, not SGI, who used MIPS, not SPARC, and just called them workstations. Then there was the SGI Indy, which was an SGI Indigo without the go. ;) The 3d desktop file system navigator software running on the SGI workstation was actually a thing that SGI shipped, by Joel Sherrill <joel@sgi.com>, called SGI Fusion, or FSN! Original URL of binary distribution: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/fsn/fsn.tar.Z Now archived at: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/sgi/bin/fsn.tar.Z https://github.com/jdm7dv/3d-file-system-navigator/blob/master/README.txt https://github.com/jdm7dv/3d-file-system-navigator/blob/mast... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager) >File System Navigator (fsn; pronounced "fusion") is an experimental application to view a file system in 3D, made by SGI for IRIX systems. >Even though it was never developed to a fully functional file manager, it gained some fame after appearing in the movie Jurassic Park in 1993. In a scene in the film, the character Lex Murphy, played by Ariana Richards, finds a computer displaying the interface. She exclaims "It's a UNIX system! I know this!" and proceeds to restart the building's access control system, locking the control room's doors. After the release of the film, some perceived the visualization as an example of media misrepresentation of computers, citing the computer game-like display as being an unrealistic Hollywood mockup. FSN – the IRIX 3D file system tool from Jurassic Park http://www.siliconbunny.com/fsn-the-irix-3d-file-system-tool-from-jurassic-park/ http://www.siliconbunny.com/fsn-the-irix-3d-file-system-tool... SGI Fusion - FSN 3d File System Navigator SGI File System Navigator, otherwise known as Fusion. Running on IRIX 6.5 on an Octane. If you have an SGI, a binary of this program is available at ftp.sgi.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ It's a unix system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxIPcbmo1_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxIPcbmo1_U "Indigo without the go." -Mark Hughes (?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcw_oTKTa0?t=6m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcw_oTKTa0?t=6m8s https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7341455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7341455 Software Usability II http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/tirix/embarrassing-memo.html http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/tirix/embarrassi...
    - DrScump 7y ago
      My vivid memory is of that excruciatingly slow zoom into a bar graph representation of a directory, to which the girl exclaims, "this is UNIX! I know UNIX!". A real world UNIXer would go straight to a shell prompt, especially in a time crunch with Cretaceous predators at the door.
  - tragomaskhalos 7y ago
    You have to go to the original Crichton novel for the real cringeworthy misrepresentation of tech: the "code" listings will make you weep. He's a great writer, don't get me wrong, but would a little bit of research and/or editorial assistance have hurt ?!
DonHopkins 7y ago
Or Cobol Woman! ;) Cobol was created by Admiral Grace Hopper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper https://medium.com/@donhopkins/cobol-forever-1a49f7d28a39 https://medium.com/@donhopkins/cobol-forever-1a49f7d28a39
- Gene_Parmesan 7y ago
  I am pretty sure that individual was referring to themselves with that term.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    I am pretty sure my intent was not to misgender him (else I wouldn't have said "Or"), but to point out that women can be Super Cobol Programmers too, and in fact the first Super Cobol Programmer was a woman. If you're touchy about people gently correcting accidental unintended sexism, take a moment to think about how women like Grace Hopper and Ada Lovelace have felt about being on the receiving end of systematic intentional sexism all their lives. https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
    - asdkjh345fd 7y ago
      >If you're touchy about people gently correcting accidental unintended sexism The point was that there is no sexism, unintended or otherwise, in the post you are "correcting". Projecting your touchiness onto others isn't very polite or constructive.
      - Zenst 7y ago
        You are correct but the poster does raise fair and yes, nothing intended directly nor indirectly - however it would be possible to read that into it and the reply initially was fair and did restore balance for those that may mis-read and all done in the best possible taste - they used a geek-wink ";)". However, it is easy to view such balance as over-balance and it can then snowball into something of which it was not, and words, like code - heck nobody writes perfect code first time, let alone wording. So you can easily get bugs, be that in the code or in how things are worded that open those words up to tangents or ambiguity that was never the intention. Anyhow - we are all on the same page of that issue I do feel and with that, let's poor one out for Grace, who without her we would not even be having this conversation that COBOL has given us today.

by Zenst 7y ago

LeoTinnitus 7y ago

Everytime I see COBOL, I always think of Newman from Jurassic Park and imagine that is a stereotypical COBOL programmer haha! If you see any bosses with a weird scarf, back away cause they may spit corona-acid in your face!

bryanrasmussen 7y ago
Newman is some sort of Pascal programmer https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/28030/source-code-on-nedrys-workstation-real-programming-language-s https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/28030/source-code...
DrScump 7y ago
That film's horrible misrepresentation of UNIX almost ruined it for me.
- agildehaus 7y ago
  How exactly? Versus something like CSI, Jurassic Park got a lot of things right. The computers used were real SGI SPARCStations and they had a bunch of Thinking Machines CM-5s for gene sequencing in the background shots. I believe all of the on-screen shots were done with real Irix software (including the scene where they locked the doors, which was done using a real IRIX file manager called "fsn"). Sure it was given the Hollywood treatment, but it'd be pretty boring if they didn't.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    Sun made SPARCstations, not SGI, who used MIPS, not SPARC, and just called them workstations. Then there was the SGI Indy, which was an SGI Indigo without the go. ;) The 3d desktop file system navigator software running on the SGI workstation was actually a thing that SGI shipped, by Joel Sherrill <joel@sgi.com>, called SGI Fusion, or FSN! Original URL of binary distribution: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/sgi/fsn/fsn.tar.Z Now archived at: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/sgi/bin/fsn.tar.Z https://github.com/jdm7dv/3d-file-system-navigator/blob/master/README.txt https://github.com/jdm7dv/3d-file-system-navigator/blob/mast... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager) >File System Navigator (fsn; pronounced "fusion") is an experimental application to view a file system in 3D, made by SGI for IRIX systems. >Even though it was never developed to a fully functional file manager, it gained some fame after appearing in the movie Jurassic Park in 1993. In a scene in the film, the character Lex Murphy, played by Ariana Richards, finds a computer displaying the interface. She exclaims "It's a UNIX system! I know this!" and proceeds to restart the building's access control system, locking the control room's doors. After the release of the film, some perceived the visualization as an example of media misrepresentation of computers, citing the computer game-like display as being an unrealistic Hollywood mockup. FSN – the IRIX 3D file system tool from Jurassic Park http://www.siliconbunny.com/fsn-the-irix-3d-file-system-tool-from-jurassic-park/ http://www.siliconbunny.com/fsn-the-irix-3d-file-system-tool... SGI Fusion - FSN 3d File System Navigator SGI File System Navigator, otherwise known as Fusion. Running on IRIX 6.5 on an Octane. If you have an SGI, a binary of this program is available at ftp.sgi.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRHU1XxMJQ It's a unix system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxIPcbmo1_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxIPcbmo1_U "Indigo without the go." -Mark Hughes (?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcw_oTKTa0?t=6m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEcw_oTKTa0?t=6m8s https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7341455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7341455 Software Usability II http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/tirix/embarrassing-memo.html http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/tirix/embarrassi...
  - DrScump 7y ago
    My vivid memory is of that excruciatingly slow zoom into a bar graph representation of a directory, to which the girl exclaims, "this is UNIX! I know UNIX!". A real world UNIXer would go straight to a shell prompt, especially in a time crunch with Cretaceous predators at the door.
- tragomaskhalos 7y ago
  You have to go to the original Crichton novel for the real cringeworthy misrepresentation of tech: the "code" listings will make you weep. He's a great writer, don't get me wrong, but would a little bit of research and/or editorial assistance have hurt ?!

DonHopkins 7y ago

Or Cobol Woman! ;) Cobol was created by Admiral Grace Hopper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper https://medium.com/@donhopkins/cobol-forever-1a49f7d28a39 https://medium.com/@donhopkins/cobol-forever-1a49f7d28a39

Gene_Parmesan 7y ago
I am pretty sure that individual was referring to themselves with that term.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  I am pretty sure my intent was not to misgender him (else I wouldn't have said "Or"), but to point out that women can be Super Cobol Programmers too, and in fact the first Super Cobol Programmer was a woman. If you're touchy about people gently correcting accidental unintended sexism, take a moment to think about how women like Grace Hopper and Ada Lovelace have felt about being on the receiving end of systematic intentional sexism all their lives. https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
  - asdkjh345fd 7y ago
    >If you're touchy about people gently correcting accidental unintended sexism The point was that there is no sexism, unintended or otherwise, in the post you are "correcting". Projecting your touchiness onto others isn't very polite or constructive.
    - Zenst 7y ago
      You are correct but the poster does raise fair and yes, nothing intended directly nor indirectly - however it would be possible to read that into it and the reply initially was fair and did restore balance for those that may mis-read and all done in the best possible taste - they used a geek-wink ";)". However, it is easy to view such balance as over-balance and it can then snowball into something of which it was not, and words, like code - heck nobody writes perfect code first time, let alone wording. So you can easily get bugs, be that in the code or in how things are worded that open those words up to tangents or ambiguity that was never the intention. Anyhow - we are all on the same page of that issue I do feel and with that, let's poor one out for Grace, who without her we would not even be having this conversation that COBOL has given us today.