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1. Ahh..now I see what you mean. How do you think food becomes ‘cheap’? Fresh fruit is more expensive than a bottle of soda. Organic food is more expensive than

1. Ahh..now I see what you mean. How do you think food becomes ‘cheap’? Fresh fruit is more expensive than a bottle of soda. Organic food is more expensive than conventionally grown. Local food is more expensive than imported food. Why do you think that is? Perhaps ‘cheap’ doesn’t equal good? Less land, more food. Less people in Ag. How do you think one can magically end up with cheap quality food? Explain to me? 2. I am not moralizing. I am telling you what is happening in my industry. I am a farmer. I know why food is cheap and am under no illusions about why food is cheap. 3. I am not wishing starvation et al upon people, but that would be the moralizing label you gave me that I refuse to accept. People are willing to pay more for a smart phone or a new pair of sneakers. They won’t starve to death because they paid for food what it is worth. Cheap food is for poor people. When people who can afford to pay a little more refuse to do so, society and said poor people labouring in the fields end to subsidising those who leech off those who create value in the form of healthy food. You get what you pay for...no such thing as quality for cheap rates. On the other hand, this has convinced me to take a moralizing stance. Why do people who won’t pay for quality food from hard labour deserve good food? Perhaps they do indeed deserve what they pay for..

pdonis 7y ago
> How do you think food becomes ‘cheap’? By people figuring out how to produce it more cheaply, so that the producers can afford to sell it more cheaply, so that people can buy it more cheaply. How else? > Fresh fruit is more expensive than a bottle of soda. Huh? I can buy organic bananas at my local grocery for 69 cents a pound. Even a single-serving bottle of soda costs more than that. A 2-liter bottle of soda costs a bunch more. > Organic food is more expensive than conventionally grown. Usually, yes. But the price differential is not always that big. Conventionally grown bananas at the same grocery I mentioned above sell for 59 cents a pound. > Local food is more expensive than imported food. Depends a lot on the locality. The same grocery I mentioned above routinely has locally grown produce, for the kinds that can be feasibly grown locally (things like apples, tomatoes, and various greens are the most common in my area) at the same or cheaper prices as imported. > Cheap food is for poor people. Yes, because that's all they can afford. But you seem to insist that "cheap" cannot equal "good". So you are condemning poor people to never having good food because you think it's unavoidable that good food can't be cheap. > When people who can afford to pay a little more refuse to do so Who said they were? I always buy the organic produce at the grocery I mentioned above. In fact my wife and I pretty much buy organic everything, because we are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. I have never said that people who can afford to pay more for food never do. I am talking about the many, many people who can't afford to pay more for food. Is it a law of physics that healthier food has to be more expensive? Or is it because no effort has been put into making healthier food cheaper? Entrepreneurs have done wonders in making many other things cheaper while maintaining or even drastically increasing quality and capability (like the smart phones you mentioned). Why is this somehow not possible for food?
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  This has somehow morphed into a conversation about You. And I don’t find it interesting enough to participate.

pdonis 7y ago

> How do you think food becomes ‘cheap’? By people figuring out how to produce it more cheaply, so that the producers can afford to sell it more cheaply, so that people can buy it more cheaply. How else? > Fresh fruit is more expensive than a bottle of soda. Huh? I can buy organic bananas at my local grocery for 69 cents a pound. Even a single-serving bottle of soda costs more than that. A 2-liter bottle of soda costs a bunch more. > Organic food is more expensive than conventionally grown. Usually, yes. But the price differential is not always that big. Conventionally grown bananas at the same grocery I mentioned above sell for 59 cents a pound. > Local food is more expensive than imported food. Depends a lot on the locality. The same grocery I mentioned above routinely has locally grown produce, for the kinds that can be feasibly grown locally (things like apples, tomatoes, and various greens are the most common in my area) at the same or cheaper prices as imported. > Cheap food is for poor people. Yes, because that's all they can afford. But you seem to insist that "cheap" cannot equal "good". So you are condemning poor people to never having good food because you think it's unavoidable that good food can't be cheap. > When people who can afford to pay a little more refuse to do so Who said they were? I always buy the organic produce at the grocery I mentioned above. In fact my wife and I pretty much buy organic everything, because we are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. I have never said that people who can afford to pay more for food never do. I am talking about the many, many people who can't afford to pay more for food. Is it a law of physics that healthier food has to be more expensive? Or is it because no effort has been put into making healthier food cheaper? Entrepreneurs have done wonders in making many other things cheaper while maintaining or even drastically increasing quality and capability (like the smart phones you mentioned). Why is this somehow not possible for food?

jelliclesfarm 7y ago
This has somehow morphed into a conversation about You. And I don’t find it interesting enough to participate.