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Also we're in an age when many wars are fought through proxies and with plausible deniability. A submarine doesn't help with either of the those. This isn't the

Also we're in an age when many wars are fought through proxies and with plausible deniability. A submarine doesn't help with either of the those. This isn't the BUK missile that somehow "happen" to end up with "insurgents". It's going to be used only in an open and direct confrontation between the 2 clearly identifiable parties.

trhway 7y ago
>This isn't the BUK missile that somehow "happen" to end up with "insurgents". It didn't "happen", it were Ukrainian BUKs captured by the rebels - June 29, almost 3 weeks before MH-17, "Now the Donetsk sky will be protected by BUKs" https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1741703 https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1741703 [the publication time is easily verifiable through Internet Archive] - a news that the rebels had captured Ukranian anti-aircraft installation armed with BUKs, second such installation in a few days. Both sides published that news at the time. Similarly a submarine can be hijacked either in real life or, in near future, virtually. Though my bet here is on unmanned underwater drones impossible to identify after attack (and probably self-destruction).
- lakis 7y ago
  Are you seriously think that somebody can hijack a submarine? What do you think it is? A bicycle? Missiles can be "lost" because the BUK missile is basically a truck. You put diesel in it and you are good to go. Where are you going to "park" the stolen submarine? Into your small private hidden port? Are you an evil super genius multi-billionaire that has secret ports. Real life is not a James Bond movie.
  - trhway 7y ago
    A non nuclear submarine can be parked and carried around inside a midsize container/cargo ship for example. An operation for a small well financed, though probably well less than a billion (otherwise it is just cheaper to build a sub yourself) team/organization. >Real life is not a James Bond movie. True. For example James Bond's jetpack was much more inferior to that https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/8/4/20753648/jet-powered-hoverboard-english-channel-crossing-franky-zapata-success https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2...
    - bryanrasmussen 7y ago
      Thunderball was in 1965; that technology has advanced somewhat from the slightly futuristic tech of a work of fiction from more than half a century ago is not some great declaration of that fictional world being achievable.
- greedo 7y ago
  Operating a modern submarine isn't a skill that you pick up after staying at a Holiday Inn. And no, you wouldn't be able to hijack one "virtually" in the near future.
zapttt 7y ago
yesterday a german ship rammed a Venezuela navy ship. a month before an oil tanker went down north of brazil, still zero clues which tanker it was, at all. the sea is a very big place. we barrely hear all the weird stuff in the mainstream media. well, maybe not the baltic, that one is not so big and have too many eyes... i see your point.
- woodandsteel 7y ago
  No, a Venezuelan naval ship rammed a German antarctic cruise ship. and the Venezuelan ship sank. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765172
  - zapttt 7y ago
    rigth. my point is that the sea is huge and lots go down there between navys that we hear little about even in specialized media.

trhway 7y ago

>This isn't the BUK missile that somehow "happen" to end up with "insurgents". It didn't "happen", it were Ukrainian BUKs captured by the rebels - June 29, almost 3 weeks before MH-17, "Now the Donetsk sky will be protected by BUKs" https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1741703 https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1741703 [the publication time is easily verifiable through Internet Archive] - a news that the rebels had captured Ukranian anti-aircraft installation armed with BUKs, second such installation in a few days. Both sides published that news at the time. Similarly a submarine can be hijacked either in real life or, in near future, virtually. Though my bet here is on unmanned underwater drones impossible to identify after attack (and probably self-destruction).

lakis 7y ago
Are you seriously think that somebody can hijack a submarine? What do you think it is? A bicycle? Missiles can be "lost" because the BUK missile is basically a truck. You put diesel in it and you are good to go. Where are you going to "park" the stolen submarine? Into your small private hidden port? Are you an evil super genius multi-billionaire that has secret ports. Real life is not a James Bond movie.
- trhway 7y ago
  A non nuclear submarine can be parked and carried around inside a midsize container/cargo ship for example. An operation for a small well financed, though probably well less than a billion (otherwise it is just cheaper to build a sub yourself) team/organization. >Real life is not a James Bond movie. True. For example James Bond's jetpack was much more inferior to that https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/8/4/20753648/jet-powered-hoverboard-english-channel-crossing-franky-zapata-success https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2...
  - bryanrasmussen 7y ago
    Thunderball was in 1965; that technology has advanced somewhat from the slightly futuristic tech of a work of fiction from more than half a century ago is not some great declaration of that fictional world being achievable.
greedo 7y ago
Operating a modern submarine isn't a skill that you pick up after staying at a Holiday Inn. And no, you wouldn't be able to hijack one "virtually" in the near future.

zapttt 7y ago

yesterday a german ship rammed a Venezuela navy ship. a month before an oil tanker went down north of brazil, still zero clues which tanker it was, at all. the sea is a very big place. we barrely hear all the weird stuff in the mainstream media. well, maybe not the baltic, that one is not so big and have too many eyes... i see your point.

woodandsteel 7y ago
No, a Venezuelan naval ship rammed a German antarctic cruise ship. and the Venezuelan ship sank. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765172
- zapttt 7y ago
  rigth. my point is that the sea is huge and lots go down there between navys that we hear little about even in specialized media.