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Required to put up with arbitrary rule enforcement? You think I walk out of the store with a case of beer for the price I want to pay? That's just called busine

Required to put up with arbitrary rule enforcement? You think I walk out of the store with a case of beer for the price I want to pay? That's just called business. You list a bunch of inventions here but that isn't want creates value for end users. It costs money to put this technology into the hands of end users which are the costs I highlighted. Apple has a right to capture that value as they see fit.

kevingadd 7y ago
"Apple has a right to capture that value as they see fit" is a big statement to make without a foundation behind it other than "it cost them money". R&D for an automobile costs a lot, especially if you factor in the decades most manufacturers have spent refining their manufacturing and technology. Does that mean Ford should be able to legally require me to buy all parts and service at authorized dealers only? Because most countries' laws disagree with you for reasons I think should be obvious. Hardware with bundled software has for whatever reason escaped the realities that apply to physical goods so far, even though it has obvious problems. Now we have tractors that refuse to be repaired without dealer authorization (yay DRM) and we have app store lock-in where anyone who wants to install apps on their phone has to have daddy's permission. If that's the ecosystem you want, so be it, and it's perfectly reasonable for Apple to charge for access, but that doesn't make it good. If you love the free market you should love the idea of a paid product needing to live up to its cost.
- enos_feedler 7y ago
  Yes, if Ford believes that their customer's independent decisions about parts and service could lead them down a path that makes you more sour about Ford as a brand and degrade/ruin your relationship with Ford as a consumer. This could easily happen in the wild west of unauthorized parts and service. I think the laws are wrong in this case and compromises a company's ability to maintain that brand relationship. Are there undesirable consequences to this? Yes, but they can be sorted out one-by-one.
- enos_feedler 7y ago
  Separating the layers of hardware and software, for whatever reason has escaped the realities that a product doesn't draw arbitrary boundaries between these lines. Why is this particular interface so special?

kevingadd 7y ago

"Apple has a right to capture that value as they see fit" is a big statement to make without a foundation behind it other than "it cost them money". R&D for an automobile costs a lot, especially if you factor in the decades most manufacturers have spent refining their manufacturing and technology. Does that mean Ford should be able to legally require me to buy all parts and service at authorized dealers only? Because most countries' laws disagree with you for reasons I think should be obvious. Hardware with bundled software has for whatever reason escaped the realities that apply to physical goods so far, even though it has obvious problems. Now we have tractors that refuse to be repaired without dealer authorization (yay DRM) and we have app store lock-in where anyone who wants to install apps on their phone has to have daddy's permission. If that's the ecosystem you want, so be it, and it's perfectly reasonable for Apple to charge for access, but that doesn't make it good. If you love the free market you should love the idea of a paid product needing to live up to its cost.

enos_feedler 7y ago
Yes, if Ford believes that their customer's independent decisions about parts and service could lead them down a path that makes you more sour about Ford as a brand and degrade/ruin your relationship with Ford as a consumer. This could easily happen in the wild west of unauthorized parts and service. I think the laws are wrong in this case and compromises a company's ability to maintain that brand relationship. Are there undesirable consequences to this? Yes, but they can be sorted out one-by-one.
enos_feedler 7y ago
Separating the layers of hardware and software, for whatever reason has escaped the realities that a product doesn't draw arbitrary boundaries between these lines. Why is this particular interface so special?