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Do you feel the same about the Internet? Just not worth it, cause there's a heap of junk you can access if you go out of your way to access it?

dzonga 7y ago
correct response for people like the above. the internet has weird shit, no gatekeeper. yet folks never stop using it. n apple is busy stifling web apps by only allowing one browser engine. I will only buy another iOS device again when I can run gecko | firefox on it
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  I also appreciate the gate keeping on iOS, but that doesn’t mean I think the entire internet needs to be locked down. It’s very nice that I can hand a device to my non tech literate relatives and have it just work. I can also like an open Internet for my own purposes.
tomc1985 7y ago
The internet also doesn't force your app into a singular marketplace
- adrianhel 7y ago
  "Singular marketplace" – there's your problem. With Android, at least you can download an APK.
  - james-skemp 7y ago
    And likewise, make an APK on your choice of device (Windows, Mac, Linux), with no recurring or one time costs (minus hardware). I've got half a dozen personal apps on my old phone and a couple more on my new one.
intopieces 7y ago
Pretty much. I don’t really “surf the Internet” like I did when I was younger. The web was ruined by ads long ago, and there’s very little content worth engaging in, especially without the curation that sites like HN provide.
- Benjamin_Dobell 7y ago
  The difference is you're choosing your curators (e.g. Hacker News) independent of other choices you've made i.e. your hardware provider. Would you just go along with it happily if Apple (or any other company for that matter) blocked access to Hacker News because it didn't meet their standards? Or vice versa, if Hacker News refused to serve you simply because you're using an Apple device?
  - intopieces 7y ago
    Apples standards are my standards. If that stops being the case, I’ll stop being a customer. Sure. I’m smart enough to dig through the bargain bin of Google Play apps to find the ones that work with my device, don’t have ads, and have the appropriate level of functionality and polish. I just don’t want to. I’d rather pay a premium for a company to do it for me. Same goes for the Internet.
    - Benjamin_Dobell 7y ago
      > Apples standards are my standards. Indeed. If you want to use their hardware, then you've no choice in the matter. To be clear, I have absolutely zero issue with you choosing to be their customer. They make fantastic hardware, there are an enormous amount of pros to being an Apple customer. It's perfectly reasonable to look at these pros and cons and choose to be an Apple customer. However, taking one of those cons and trying to sell it as a pro requires a fair bit of doublethink. You could be using an Apple device and choosing Apple as your app curator. Lack of choice is not a feature.
      - intopieces 7y ago

dzonga 7y ago

correct response for people like the above. the internet has weird shit, no gatekeeper. yet folks never stop using it. n apple is busy stifling web apps by only allowing one browser engine. I will only buy another iOS device again when I can run gecko | firefox on it

lotsofpulp 7y ago
I also appreciate the gate keeping on iOS, but that doesn’t mean I think the entire internet needs to be locked down. It’s very nice that I can hand a device to my non tech literate relatives and have it just work. I can also like an open Internet for my own purposes.

tomc1985 7y ago

The internet also doesn't force your app into a singular marketplace

adrianhel 7y ago
"Singular marketplace" – there's your problem. With Android, at least you can download an APK.
- james-skemp 7y ago
  And likewise, make an APK on your choice of device (Windows, Mac, Linux), with no recurring or one time costs (minus hardware). I've got half a dozen personal apps on my old phone and a couple more on my new one.

intopieces 7y ago

Pretty much. I don’t really “surf the Internet” like I did when I was younger. The web was ruined by ads long ago, and there’s very little content worth engaging in, especially without the curation that sites like HN provide.

Benjamin_Dobell 7y ago
The difference is you're choosing your curators (e.g. Hacker News) independent of other choices you've made i.e. your hardware provider. Would you just go along with it happily if Apple (or any other company for that matter) blocked access to Hacker News because it didn't meet their standards? Or vice versa, if Hacker News refused to serve you simply because you're using an Apple device?
- intopieces 7y ago
  Apples standards are my standards. If that stops being the case, I’ll stop being a customer. Sure. I’m smart enough to dig through the bargain bin of Google Play apps to find the ones that work with my device, don’t have ads, and have the appropriate level of functionality and polish. I just don’t want to. I’d rather pay a premium for a company to do it for me. Same goes for the Internet.
  - Benjamin_Dobell 7y ago
    > Apples standards are my standards. Indeed. If you want to use their hardware, then you've no choice in the matter. To be clear, I have absolutely zero issue with you choosing to be their customer. They make fantastic hardware, there are an enormous amount of pros to being an Apple customer. It's perfectly reasonable to look at these pros and cons and choose to be an Apple customer. However, taking one of those cons and trying to sell it as a pro requires a fair bit of doublethink. You could be using an Apple device and choosing Apple as your app curator. Lack of choice is not a feature.
    - intopieces 7y ago