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Isn’t that the point the game is trying to make?

by newfeatureok 7y ago

saagarjha 7y ago
It'd be nice if it made its point quickly and didn't stretch it out for hours…
- WalterBright 7y ago
  It's point is "Capitalism - bad". I just saved you many, many hours :-)
WalterBright 7y ago
Economics games always rig the rules to achieve the outcome favored by the politics of its creator. Their value as a model of reality is about nil. Much the same applies to Hollywood movies that dabble in politics and economics. When you're the script writer, it's too easy to get the "correct" result.
- newfeatureok 7y ago
  I disagree - the hand you’re given, parents, status, genetics, etc pretty much decide the outcomes in reality. Similarly as you’ve pointed out the early rolls decide most of the outcome as well.
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    How does your theory explain The Beatles, Steve Jobs, Bruno Mars, Thomas Edison, Barack Obama, etc.? Did you know that the overwhelming majority of immigrants came to America with nothing but a suitcase? I know a modern immigrant who came with a suitcase and recently retired with his fu money. It's never been easier for someone to get a free college-level education, start an internet business, reach a global network of suppliers, and a global marketplace, for FREE. Blaming your parents might be fun, but is totally unproductive.
    - newfeatureok 7y ago
      I’m not sure what your examples have to do with anything. Do you think people can will themselves to success independent of their circumstances? It’s obvious factors outside of your control determine 99.99% of your outcomes. Literally all the data agrees with me here. Don’t know what you’re arguing for exactly. That some people get lucky and some of those lucky people worked hard?
      - rudiv 7y ago
        It's easier to believe we live in a just world than to think critically about the societies we live in.
        WalterBright 7y ago
        It's easier to make excuses than learn what needs to be done, make a plan, and execute it.
        sokoloff 7y ago
        Particularly when these excuses aren’t subject to rigorous outcome testing or any feedback process at all. A wrong, convenient excuse is slightly less useful but is much more satiating than a correct excuse.
        newfeatureok 7y ago
        Unfortunately many people have a poor understanding of statistics and cherry pick examples to fit their agenda.
        icelancer 7y ago
        Even worse when people use averages as a method of policymaking for everyone, rather than realize that history is made by the exceptions. Not the averages.
      - WalterBright 7y ago

Isn’t that the point the game is trying to make?

saagarjha 7y ago

It'd be nice if it made its point quickly and didn't stretch it out for hours…

WalterBright 7y ago
It's point is "Capitalism - bad". I just saved you many, many hours :-)

WalterBright 7y ago

Economics games always rig the rules to achieve the outcome favored by the politics of its creator. Their value as a model of reality is about nil. Much the same applies to Hollywood movies that dabble in politics and economics. When you're the script writer, it's too easy to get the "correct" result.

newfeatureok 7y ago
I disagree - the hand you’re given, parents, status, genetics, etc pretty much decide the outcomes in reality. Similarly as you’ve pointed out the early rolls decide most of the outcome as well.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  How does your theory explain The Beatles, Steve Jobs, Bruno Mars, Thomas Edison, Barack Obama, etc.? Did you know that the overwhelming majority of immigrants came to America with nothing but a suitcase? I know a modern immigrant who came with a suitcase and recently retired with his fu money. It's never been easier for someone to get a free college-level education, start an internet business, reach a global network of suppliers, and a global marketplace, for FREE. Blaming your parents might be fun, but is totally unproductive.
  - newfeatureok 7y ago
    I’m not sure what your examples have to do with anything. Do you think people can will themselves to success independent of their circumstances? It’s obvious factors outside of your control determine 99.99% of your outcomes. Literally all the data agrees with me here. Don’t know what you’re arguing for exactly. That some people get lucky and some of those lucky people worked hard?
    - rudiv 7y ago
      It's easier to believe we live in a just world than to think critically about the societies we live in.
      - WalterBright 7y ago
        It's easier to make excuses than learn what needs to be done, make a plan, and execute it.
        sokoloff 7y ago
        Particularly when these excuses aren’t subject to rigorous outcome testing or any feedback process at all. A wrong, convenient excuse is slightly less useful but is much more satiating than a correct excuse.
      - newfeatureok 7y ago
        Unfortunately many people have a poor understanding of statistics and cherry pick examples to fit their agenda.
        icelancer 7y ago
        Even worse when people use averages as a method of policymaking for everyone, rather than realize that history is made by the exceptions. Not the averages.
    - WalterBright 7y ago