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Slaves would be the most obvious.

by jdminhbg 7y ago

rayhendricks 7y ago
Saudi Arabia and certain other countries would beg to differ.
- jdminhbg 7y ago
  Yeah, but then you have to live in a desolate theocracy instead of the center of the civilized word. You can always find whatever vice you want, the question is how much you have to sacrifice to get it.
  - RobLach 7y ago
    That’s quite naive. “The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States” miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article215154980.html
    - jdminhbg 7y ago
      It's not naive, it's knowing the extent of slavery in the Roman world: Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40%, and fully legal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome
      - labster 7y ago
        And yet there are 40 million slaves in the world today, about the population of the whole Roman Empire. So it’s not exactly rare, either, at 0.5%, or 1 in 200 people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
        Judgmentality 7y ago
        The difference between 0.5% and 30-40% is 2 orders of magnitude.
        alexilliamson 7y ago
        "Slavery was no more pervasive in Rome than in is today" is a truly bizarre hill to die on.
  - winter_blue 7y ago
    The amount of prejudice and arrogance in your comment is appalling. According to you, I'm guessing everyone who lives outside the US or the "west" (a nebulous term at best) is in a "uncivilized country"? As another commenter said, it's not like there's no illegal slavery in the US. Slavery has been illegal in all of the Arab countries for a while now. Foreign workers who go there might sometimes be abused by their employees who might underpay or not pay them the agreed-upon wage, but this is typically illegal and not something the government tacticly approves of, or supports. In general, most immigrant workers in these oil-rich Arab countries are free to leave at any time that they want. Moreover, these countries probably have less sexual exploitation of women, because of their conservative moral values, and since things like prostitution and the production of pronography are illegal and heavily socially frowned upon. Actual rates of rape, and sexual assault are probably also substantially lower in these countries, due to their highly protective treatment of women, the gender separation, and due to the dating/marriage norms there. You can make your point about there being issues in other countries without resorting to that repugnant arrogant colonial-era language about you being at the "center of the civilized world". It adds no value to what you are saying whatsoever.
def8cefe 7y ago
I think at that level of wealth you could simply use paid labour to do anything you want, no slavery required.
- mattigames 7y ago
  There are a few unspeakable things that you can not do with paid labor but can do with slaves, you would have to be extraordinarily evil to pursue any of them which is unlikely but is a possibility nonetheless.

Slaves would be the most obvious.

rayhendricks 7y ago

Saudi Arabia and certain other countries would beg to differ.

jdminhbg 7y ago
Yeah, but then you have to live in a desolate theocracy instead of the center of the civilized word. You can always find whatever vice you want, the question is how much you have to sacrifice to get it.
- RobLach 7y ago
  That’s quite naive. “The practices of slavery and human trafficking are still prevalent in modern America with estimated 17,500 foreign nationals and 400,000 Americans being trafficked into and within the United States” miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article215154980.html
  - jdminhbg 7y ago
    It's not naive, it's knowing the extent of slavery in the Roman world: Somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40%, and fully legal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome
    - labster 7y ago
      And yet there are 40 million slaves in the world today, about the population of the whole Roman Empire. So it’s not exactly rare, either, at 0.5%, or 1 in 200 people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
      - Judgmentality 7y ago
        The difference between 0.5% and 30-40% is 2 orders of magnitude.
      - alexilliamson 7y ago
        "Slavery was no more pervasive in Rome than in is today" is a truly bizarre hill to die on.
- winter_blue 7y ago
  The amount of prejudice and arrogance in your comment is appalling. According to you, I'm guessing everyone who lives outside the US or the "west" (a nebulous term at best) is in a "uncivilized country"? As another commenter said, it's not like there's no illegal slavery in the US. Slavery has been illegal in all of the Arab countries for a while now. Foreign workers who go there might sometimes be abused by their employees who might underpay or not pay them the agreed-upon wage, but this is typically illegal and not something the government tacticly approves of, or supports. In general, most immigrant workers in these oil-rich Arab countries are free to leave at any time that they want. Moreover, these countries probably have less sexual exploitation of women, because of their conservative moral values, and since things like prostitution and the production of pronography are illegal and heavily socially frowned upon. Actual rates of rape, and sexual assault are probably also substantially lower in these countries, due to their highly protective treatment of women, the gender separation, and due to the dating/marriage norms there. You can make your point about there being issues in other countries without resorting to that repugnant arrogant colonial-era language about you being at the "center of the civilized world". It adds no value to what you are saying whatsoever.

def8cefe 7y ago

I think at that level of wealth you could simply use paid labour to do anything you want, no slavery required.

mattigames 7y ago
There are a few unspeakable things that you can not do with paid labor but can do with slaves, you would have to be extraordinarily evil to pursue any of them which is unlikely but is a possibility nonetheless.