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Going to be hard to make those 3M masks when all the pulp used to make them is produced in Canada and we stop selling it to you cause you won't sell us masks.

Going to be hard to make those 3M masks when all the pulp used to make them is produced in Canada and we stop selling it to you cause you won't sell us masks. https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/business/nanaimos-harmac-mill-works-to-fill-doubled-pulp-order-for-medical-masks-and-gowns/ https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.com/business/nanaimos-h...

RegnisGnaw 7y ago
I'm pretty sure there's no pulp in the N95 respirators.
- slaman 7y ago
  I'm ill informed, do you have a source? Is it cotton or polymer?
  - RegnisGnaw 7y ago
    Here's the document on the 3M N95 8210 which is a common N95 mask: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1425070O/3m-particulate-respirator-8210-n95-technical-specifications.pdf https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1425070O/3m-particulate-... • Straps – Thermoplastic Elastomer • Nose Clip – Aluminum • Nose foam - Polyurethane • Filter – Polypropylene • Shell – Polyester • Coverweb - Polyester Here's the datasheet for the 3M 1860 N95 Surgical Respirator (for hospital and medical use): https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1538979O/3m-disposable-respirator-1860-1860s-technical-data-sheet.pdf https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1538979O/3m-disposable-r... * Straps: Braided Polyisoprene * Staples: Steel * Nose Clip: Aluminium * Nose Foam: Polyurethane Foam * Filter: Polypropylene/Polyester * Shell: Polypropylene * Coverweb: Polypropylene Here's another document from Honeywell stating the main material is "flexible non-woven polypropylene fabric" https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-ma... Here's the link to Wikipedia and I quote "The N95 mask requires a fine mesh of synthetic polymer fibers, also known as nonwoven polypropylene fabric,[5] which is produced through a highly specialized process called melt blowing that forms the inner filtration layer that filters out hazardous particles.[6]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_mask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_mask
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Mountain_Skies 7y ago
The US has ten times the population and ten times the economy. Canada would have ten times the pain if it decided to get into an economic war with the US and would still not get the masks it wants. The US however does have plenty of pulp production that can be diverted into whatever use is most important at the moment. This should be a wake up call to Canada to stop being so dependent on exporting commodities. It's been this way for my entire life and has been a constant complaint in Canadian economic circles but for some reason Canada doesn't seem to want to diversify. Maybe this will change that attitude.
- sudosysgen 7y ago
  I don't know that this would be the case. Pulp production is not a nameless commodity, it needs to be up to a certain spec for surgical masks, for example. Canada is the supplier for a great many US companies. Sure, the US could try to produce that speficic spec, but it would not be easy and would take precious weeks that the US cannot spare. If it could, production would just increase for respirators, but this has to be done instead because it takes too much time. And in that time, Canada will likely be able to set up production for the masks, actually. If I remember correctly 3M Canada does make filter media, so the expertise is there. It isn't rocket science either, it just takes time. In a full scale economic war between the US and Canda, at least all Canadians will still have water and electricity.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  Europe would help, Trump already backstabbed them multiple times by now. That also means the actual machines for producing the masks, since Germany makes those machines. China uses them. The ventilators for saving lives are also made by Germany. Good luck with your short term way of thinking.
dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewars. Last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

RegnisGnaw 7y ago

I'm pretty sure there's no pulp in the N95 respirators.

slaman 7y ago
I'm ill informed, do you have a source? Is it cotton or polymer?
- RegnisGnaw 7y ago
  Here's the document on the 3M N95 8210 which is a common N95 mask: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1425070O/3m-particulate-respirator-8210-n95-technical-specifications.pdf https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1425070O/3m-particulate-... • Straps – Thermoplastic Elastomer • Nose Clip – Aluminum • Nose foam - Polyurethane • Filter – Polypropylene • Shell – Polyester • Coverweb - Polyester Here's the datasheet for the 3M 1860 N95 Surgical Respirator (for hospital and medical use): https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1538979O/3m-disposable-respirator-1860-1860s-technical-data-sheet.pdf https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1538979O/3m-disposable-r... * Straps: Braided Polyisoprene * Staples: Steel * Nose Clip: Aluminium * Nose Foam: Polyurethane Foam * Filter: Polypropylene/Polyester * Shell: Polypropylene * Coverweb: Polypropylene Here's another document from Honeywell stating the main material is "flexible non-woven polypropylene fabric" https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-masks-explained https://www.honeywell.com/en-us/newsroom/news/2020/03/n95-ma... Here's the link to Wikipedia and I quote "The N95 mask requires a fine mesh of synthetic polymer fibers, also known as nonwoven polypropylene fabric,[5] which is produced through a highly specialized process called melt blowing that forms the inner filtration layer that filters out hazardous particles.[6]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_mask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N95_mask

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Mountain_Skies 7y ago

The US has ten times the population and ten times the economy. Canada would have ten times the pain if it decided to get into an economic war with the US and would still not get the masks it wants. The US however does have plenty of pulp production that can be diverted into whatever use is most important at the moment. This should be a wake up call to Canada to stop being so dependent on exporting commodities. It's been this way for my entire life and has been a constant complaint in Canadian economic circles but for some reason Canada doesn't seem to want to diversify. Maybe this will change that attitude.

sudosysgen 7y ago
I don't know that this would be the case. Pulp production is not a nameless commodity, it needs to be up to a certain spec for surgical masks, for example. Canada is the supplier for a great many US companies. Sure, the US could try to produce that speficic spec, but it would not be easy and would take precious weeks that the US cannot spare. If it could, production would just increase for respirators, but this has to be done instead because it takes too much time. And in that time, Canada will likely be able to set up production for the masks, actually. If I remember correctly 3M Canada does make filter media, so the expertise is there. It isn't rocket science either, it just takes time. In a full scale economic war between the US and Canda, at least all Canadians will still have water and electricity.
NicoJuicy 7y ago
Europe would help, Trump already backstabbed them multiple times by now. That also means the actual machines for producing the masks, since Germany makes those machines. China uses them. The ventilators for saving lives are also made by Germany. Good luck with your short term way of thinking.

dang 7y ago

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewars. Last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html