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US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe

24 points by NicoJuicy 7y ago

NicoJuicy 7y ago
> 3M said the administration had also told the company to stop exporting masks from US production sites to Canada and Latin America. The company said the demand raises “significant humanitarian implications” from stopping shipments intended for healthcare workers, and warned it would backfire by triggering retaliation from other countries. Watch the future unfold, there's an idiot in the president's seat :( What if other countries would do the same. Although the masks are produced in China, they do it with German machines. Germany could do the same when they ramp up production and ignore the US because of previous stupid behaviour. Dumbest action of any president ever.
- kyboren 7y ago
  Germany did do the same: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/germany-faces-backlash-from-neighbors-over-mask-export-ban https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/germany-f...
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    No, they did not! Read your own source, lol. > We’re not categorically against exports but want to understand what happens, because previously it was so that masks went not where they were most needed but where most was paid. I expect more on HN
    - eje7fuueejdj 7y ago
      This must be a cultural difference because to most Americans these would be essentially the same thing. Your argument is akin to saying "We didn't divert the product, we barred the already completed product from export!" Both actions are denials of access and quibling over semantics serves nobody except politicians who want to save face.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        Germany is not denying export. They are checking on a case-by-case basis for necessity and not based on money bidding. It's because of the US/Trump behaviour and Germany clearly shows a more ethical approach.
- hourislate 7y ago
  >Watch the future unfold, there's an idiot in the president's seat :( I fully expect the President to do whatever it takes to save American lives. Even if it means diverting masks that an American Company produces. Germany is welcomed to make it's own masks....
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    Besides that you are associal to save only "American lives". You didn't read the article did you... Countries are going to block the US and they are right to do so after this behaviour. Short term benefit can have long term consequences. You shouldn't listen to a president that handles the country as his business. While his own businesses almost all failed and the other one was on the edge of collapsing. Ps. Germany is making masks and is now handling it on a case-by-case. Fyi, they created the machines that China is using for mask production. Ps 2. The masks of China are mostly deemed unsafe in other countries ( work masks, not medical ones). So the president just blocked alliances for probably a batch of bad masks, lol. Additionally, the President is not smart enough to grasp the importance of his decisions, eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped... I repeat: There's an idiot in the president's seat
    - hourislate 7y ago
      I read the article, several times and have nothing more to say to you.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        That's very similar to a Trump discussion, before he could read. It sure has the same "added value". I mentioned a couple of arguments that could be discussed, your statement seems a sign of ignorance and having the last word :)
        dang 7y ago
        You've been using HN primarily for political flamewar. We've asked you before stop doing this. If you keep doing it, we are going to have to ban you. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You crossed into personal attack repeatedly too. Please don't do anything like that on HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tssva 7y ago
Out bidding someone in an open market is now "piracy'?
- jaynetics 7y ago
  Diverting an already purchased good while it is passing through a third country is not "out-bidding".
deadlydose 7y ago
> 3M said Friday it “has no evidence to suggest 3M products have been seized. 3M has no record of any order of respirators from China for the Berlin police. We cannot speculate where this report originated.” [1] [1] https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/coronavirus-2020-04-03/card/CwH6JrHPWxTgmGUyw4uw https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/coronavirus-2020-04-03/card...
- jaynetics 7y ago
  The original German source, Tagesspiegel, has a good record, and Berlin's interior minister would hardly go public with such a drastic statement if he weren't damn sure an order had been diverted.
ornornor 7y ago
> State governors learned they could not rely on the rapidly depleting national stockpile, especially after Donald Trump made it clear that federal help would be affected by political preference, saying he wanted governors to be “appreciative”. A class act. Better let voters of the opposition die off than your own.

24 points by NicoJuicy 7y ago

> 3M said the administration had also told the company to stop exporting masks from US production sites to Canada and Latin America. The company said the demand raises “significant humanitarian implications” from stopping shipments intended for healthcare workers, and warned it would backfire by triggering retaliation from other countries. Watch the future unfold, there's an idiot in the president's seat :( What if other countries would do the same. Although the masks are produced in China, they do it with German machines. Germany could do the same when they ramp up production and ignore the US because of previous stupid behaviour. Dumbest action of any president ever.

kyboren 7y ago
Germany did do the same: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/germany-faces-backlash-from-neighbors-over-mask-export-ban https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/germany-f...
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  No, they did not! Read your own source, lol. > We’re not categorically against exports but want to understand what happens, because previously it was so that masks went not where they were most needed but where most was paid. I expect more on HN
  - eje7fuueejdj 7y ago
    This must be a cultural difference because to most Americans these would be essentially the same thing. Your argument is akin to saying "We didn't divert the product, we barred the already completed product from export!" Both actions are denials of access and quibling over semantics serves nobody except politicians who want to save face.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      Germany is not denying export. They are checking on a case-by-case basis for necessity and not based on money bidding. It's because of the US/Trump behaviour and Germany clearly shows a more ethical approach.
hourislate 7y ago
>Watch the future unfold, there's an idiot in the president's seat :( I fully expect the President to do whatever it takes to save American lives. Even if it means diverting masks that an American Company produces. Germany is welcomed to make it's own masks....
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  Besides that you are associal to save only "American lives". You didn't read the article did you... Countries are going to block the US and they are right to do so after this behaviour. Short term benefit can have long term consequences. You shouldn't listen to a president that handles the country as his business. While his own businesses almost all failed and the other one was on the edge of collapsing. Ps. Germany is making masks and is now handling it on a case-by-case. Fyi, they created the machines that China is using for mask production. Ps 2. The masks of China are mostly deemed unsafe in other countries ( work masks, not medical ones). So the president just blocked alliances for probably a batch of bad masks, lol. Additionally, the President is not smart enough to grasp the importance of his decisions, eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped... I repeat: There's an idiot in the president's seat
  - hourislate 7y ago
    I read the article, several times and have nothing more to say to you.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      That's very similar to a Trump discussion, before he could read. It sure has the same "added value". I mentioned a couple of arguments that could be discussed, your statement seems a sign of ignorance and having the last word :)
      - dang 7y ago
        You've been using HN primarily for political flamewar. We've asked you before stop doing this. If you keep doing it, we are going to have to ban you. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You crossed into personal attack repeatedly too. Please don't do anything like that on HN again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

tssva 7y ago

Out bidding someone in an open market is now "piracy'?

jaynetics 7y ago
Diverting an already purchased good while it is passing through a third country is not "out-bidding".

deadlydose 7y ago

> 3M said Friday it “has no evidence to suggest 3M products have been seized. 3M has no record of any order of respirators from China for the Berlin police. We cannot speculate where this report originated.” [1] [1] https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/coronavirus-2020-04-03/card/CwH6JrHPWxTgmGUyw4uw https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/coronavirus-2020-04-03/card...

jaynetics 7y ago
The original German source, Tagesspiegel, has a good record, and Berlin's interior minister would hardly go public with such a drastic statement if he weren't damn sure an order had been diverted.

ornornor 7y ago

> State governors learned they could not rely on the rapidly depleting national stockpile, especially after Donald Trump made it clear that federal help would be affected by political preference, saying he wanted governors to be “appreciative”. A class act. Better let voters of the opposition die off than your own.