>> What if there are some things where scientific objectivity and scientific method breaks down, and is incapable of exploring? > Then that's a thing you can d

>> What if there are some things where scientific objectivity and scientific method breaks down, and is incapable of exploring? > Then that's a thing you can demonstrate. Then you are more clever than I am. I have no idea how to test some of this stuff, let alone do it with double-blind study. It isn't as if science is incomprehensible to me. I understand and apply the scientific method, have run experiments. I also know its limits. Part of it is that the most reliable instrument for this stuff is the consciousness itself. What is under observation changes when it is observed, and more troublesome (from the perspective of trying explore this scientifically), is that the observer is also changed by the observed. Some of the phenomena won't happen if there is too much disbelief in it. Do you have any ideas on how to experiment with stuff like this? About the only time that gets interesting is when a life-long skeptic have some parts of their consciousness wake up, and now they are trying to figure out what is wrong with them. They were not looking for this stuff -- far from it. And here they are, finding themselves with these phenomena, inducing a lot of cognitive dissonance. When I have encountered someone like that, I point out resources for them to read. They are free to test and verify it for themselves. It works for them because they are capable of verifying it for themselves. Everyone else have to start from scratch with things like meditation and yoga. And that is going to depend upon the teacher, quality of teaching, the transmission, and how you practice. A good example is the standing meditation from Taoist traditions. One of the early stages of the phenomena are spontaneous movements in the bowels, or spontaneous movements of the limbs triggered from the early stages of movement of subtle energy. It tends to freak people out, because it is not something that is so easily attributable to internal experience. The problem is that reliably being able to get to that point to experience for yourself requires dedicated training. A lot of groups might think 1 hr standing meditation is a kind of holy grail of practice ... but I know of one group that drops beginners into 6 hr sessions. It is a huge investment of time, for both student and teacher. Complicating that even further is that there is quite a bit of fraud and abuse aimed at conning people.