I'm a "Permie". The "Permaculture Designer's Guide" is IMO one of the best books on design-- any kind, not just farm --ever. (Did you read "Mote in God's Eye"

I'm a "Permie". The "Permaculture Designer's Guide" is IMO one of the best books on design-- any kind, not just farm --ever. (Did you read "Mote in God's Eye"? This is a book on Motie engineering.) https://www.tagari.com/store/books/permaculture-a-designers-manual/ https://www.tagari.com/store/books/permaculture-a-designers-... Anyhow, I was reading Smil's "Energy and Civilization: A History" (yes, because Gates) and it dawned on me that the high-touch high-tech (ecology is a science) "horticultural" civilization, as described so ably by Toby Hemenway (RIP) in his talks "How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Planet – But Not Civilization" and the sequel "Redesigning Civilization with Permaculture", would be a new, radically new, thing under the Sun. A new form of civilization. https://tobyhemenway.com/videos/how-permaculture-can-save-humanity-and-the-planet-but-not-civilization/ https://tobyhemenway.com/videos/how-permaculture-can-save-hu... https://tobyhemenway.com/videos/redesigning-civilization-with-permaculture/ https://tobyhemenway.com/videos/redesigning-civilization-wit... http://vaclavsmil.com/2017/05/08/energy-and-civilization-a-history/ http://vaclavsmil.com/2017/05/08/energy-and-civilization-a-h... Combine applied ecology with Alexander's Pattern Language and I think we've really got something. There is also the possibility of integrated carbon-neutral alcohol fuel production. http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/node/518 http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/node/518 Since it seems like we're going to have to redesign (parts of) our civilization anyway, why not make it really awesome? (I should add something about wholesome plant-based whole food diet and the health effects but I can't find a good link right now.)