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Microsoft Store in Windows 10 has the Python 3.7 and 3.8 packages (prepared by PSF itself) with some limitations, which shouldn't matter for beginner users. So

by qilo 7y ago

Microsoft Store in Windows 10 has the Python 3.7 and 3.8 packages (prepared by PSF itself) with some limitations, which shouldn't matter for beginner users. So it's basically one click install. The issues has to do with the way Microsoft Store apps are sandboxed within the environment, to quote: Because of restrictions on Microsoft Store apps, Python scripts may not have full write access to shared locations such as TEMP and the registry. Instead, it will write to a private copy. If your scripts must modify the shared locations, you will need to install the full installer. https://docs.python.org/3.8/using/windows.html#known-issues https://docs.python.org/3.8/using/windows.html#known-issues

xapata 7y ago
python.org has shipped faulty distributions before, sadly. Best to make sure your lesson plan works on each Python version someone might use, on every OS, etc. Or just use a common configuration. Also, are you abandoning Mac users?
- qilo 7y ago
  I'm just a viewer of that course. I guess for Mac users, it's easy, cause MacOS already comes with Python (3.x?) preinstalled. The course author himself video streams from the MacOS system.
  - danso 7y ago
    MacOS has only had Python 2.x installed. Python and Ruby have both been deprecated in Catalina (10.15) and will not be pre-installed on MacOS in future releases: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_notes/macos_10_15_beta_release_notes https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_note... > Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. Future versions of macOS won’t include scripting language runtimes by default, and might require you to install additional packages. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app.
  - reuven 7y ago
    I use a Mac, it's true -- but I also have plenty of people using Windows and Linux in the course. I try to help everyone to get it installed on their systems. Also: The Mac comes with Python 2. I'm using Python 3, and hope that everyone will indeed install it!
danso 7y ago
Is using the Microsoft Store the standard way for beginners to install Python? A lot of people might follow the installation instructions that show up at the top of a google search for "how to install python windows". In my experience (this was before PythonAnywhere/Jupyter/etc and other online services were as established as they are now), I just had students download the Anaconda click-installer, which would basically ensure they'd have the expected Python version, plus a bunch of useful packages installed by default. Sure, for advanced developers who need to maintain varying setups and packages, Anaconda was sometimes problematic (at least in the past), but that's not an issue for most beginners...and it's easy to remove Anaconda at the end of the semester.

by qilo 7y ago

xapata 7y ago

python.org has shipped faulty distributions before, sadly. Best to make sure your lesson plan works on each Python version someone might use, on every OS, etc. Or just use a common configuration. Also, are you abandoning Mac users?

qilo 7y ago
I'm just a viewer of that course. I guess for Mac users, it's easy, cause MacOS already comes with Python (3.x?) preinstalled. The course author himself video streams from the MacOS system.
- danso 7y ago
  MacOS has only had Python 2.x installed. Python and Ruby have both been deprecated in Catalina (10.15) and will not be pre-installed on MacOS in future releases: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_notes/macos_10_15_beta_release_notes https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos_release_note... > Scripting language runtimes such as Python, Ruby, and Perl are included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. Future versions of macOS won’t include scripting language runtimes by default, and might require you to install additional packages. If your software depends on scripting languages, it’s recommended that you bundle the runtime within the app.
- reuven 7y ago
  I use a Mac, it's true -- but I also have plenty of people using Windows and Linux in the course. I try to help everyone to get it installed on their systems. Also: The Mac comes with Python 2. I'm using Python 3, and hope that everyone will indeed install it!

danso 7y ago

Is using the Microsoft Store the standard way for beginners to install Python? A lot of people might follow the installation instructions that show up at the top of a google search for "how to install python windows". In my experience (this was before PythonAnywhere/Jupyter/etc and other online services were as established as they are now), I just had students download the Anaconda click-installer, which would basically ensure they'd have the expected Python version, plus a bunch of useful packages installed by default. Sure, for advanced developers who need to maintain varying setups and packages, Anaconda was sometimes problematic (at least in the past), but that's not an issue for most beginners...and it's easy to remove Anaconda at the end of the semester.