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> It's the fault of the American people for voting these morons into office. Eh, not so much. Americans are forced to express their complex ideas and preferen
by ardy42 7y ago
> It's the fault of the American people for voting these morons into office.
Eh, not so much. Americans are forced to express their complex ideas and preferences through a system that consists of a handful of essentially binary choices. And most voters probably don't even strongly approve of any of the choices they're given.
- lostcolony 7y agoSpeaking as an American, I'm aware. But the morons wrt this particular crisis...are universally from one of those two choices. You can certainly find fault with the other choice, but they don't nearly have the "ignore facts, ignore what anyone other than I tell you, ignore even the evidence of your own eyes" message.
- ardy42 7y agoI totally hear you, but elections aren't just about selecting leaders with competence and honesty. They're also about expressing preferences on moral issues, too. A lot of voters are willing to set aside the former and vote on the latter, because in their minds, they aren't given the choice to do both. I also think that lack of choice has a really corrosive effect on voters who find themselves in that situation.
- lostcolony 7y agoThen this will be an interesting moral lesson for them. If they choose to actually learn it.
- ardy42 7y ago> Then this will be an interesting moral lesson for them. If they choose to actually learn it. For them, and us. Our agency contributes to this problem as well as theirs.
- lostcolony 7y agoAnd us? What is this lesson teaching us that we didn't already know? Yes, we have to deal with the consequences of their idiocy. I fail to see how our agency, given we aren't voting for these clowns, is contributing to the problem.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoBluntly, your "us or them", your (or at least your candidate's) "they're a basket of deplorables"... yeah, you're contributing to the problem. What this should be teaching you is to not write off people that you don't agree with. They're still human beings. They're still Americans. You think they're wrong, and that's fine, but regarding them with contempt does not make it easier to persuade them to agree with you. You may say that the contempt originated with them. You may be right. But be better than them, not just like them.
- jldugger 7y agoYou don't have to strongly approve of a candidate to vote for them to be president. And if you don't, then you can't be too surprised with the racist, bigoted, incompetent holder of the office. We can demurr about the complexities of the Republican primaries in 2016 but the depressing take here is simply that people preferred racist and bigoted over competent.