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Yet they singled out one religious dietary requirements whilst ignoring a whole demographic with a large populus and history of the area - colour me perplexed.

by Zenst 7y ago

Yet they singled out one religious dietary requirements whilst ignoring a whole demographic with a large populus and history of the area - colour me perplexed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_New_York_City Still, thank you for replying instead of blind downvote because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( [EDIT ADD] WOW this comment has gone up and down like crazy - was +4 few mins ago, now -2 (as I type) - I'm stepping away from this forum for a bit as I do not wish to draw sad conclusions that appear evident :((

calvinmorrison 7y ago
> because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( The Talmud describes plenty of instances when breaking the laws are the correct thing to do in cases of life and death. Starvation being one of them.
- Zenst 7y ago
  Yes, and also one of the few avenues of legal suicide in the UK and many countries that do not easily or legally allow assisted suicide for those wanting it to avoid further suffering.
blisterpeanuts 7y ago
Perhaps it would make more sense to offer kosher rather than halal, since Muslims accept kosher, whereas Jews don't accept halal (because not blessed by a rabbi, I believe).
- Zenst 7y ago
  http://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-kosher/ http://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-ko...
  - jshevek 7y ago
    If you disagree with the parent, you could courteously exert the small effort to explain why directly and briefly.
    - Zenst 7y ago
      I wasn't agreeing or disagree and that was a presumption all of your own.
      - jshevek 7y ago
        Presumptions are not prefaced by "if", hypotheticals are.
kingkawn 7y ago
Your comment is condemning the logistical choice while ignoring that there are many different kosher authorities and no one would satisfyingly serve the entire nyc religious Jewish community
- Zenst 7y ago
  It was a valid observation based on the data at hand, but let's leave it at that. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
  - kingkawn 7y ago
    The data at hand indicates that there would not be a way to serve kosher food given the broad number of kosher authorities, many of whom are in direct conflict over religious validity making trying to appease them impossible. The nyc school system has lots of experience with these communities and knows what it is doing in terms of how to reach the most people.
jshevek 7y ago
>replying instead of blind downvote because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( [It damages the conversation when people assume] racism when there is no evidence of racism.
- Zenst 7y ago
  I wasn't assuming, just going by the data and evidence at hand and let's leave it at that. I'm off for a walk, not sure I'm comming back either.
jshevek 7y ago
"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."
- Zenst 7y ago
  Agreed - however in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel that people should not be allowed to downvote without comment and avoid turning this into reddit. I raised a fair and valid observation and yet, well, hard to ignore such things and I'm not going to debate why as politics is bad. Thank you for your concerns and not blindly dismissing the point as many have and did do. I'm going for a walk now, I may be some time.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    >in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel I have felt similarly in the past, in similar situations. Play it through though, in a variety of cases, and we see why it's not just allowed, but a good thing.
rsynnott 7y ago
> as I do not wish to draw sad conclusions that appear evident The sad conclusion that appears evident would seem to be that you didn't do the research. Any commercial kitchen can, without significant difficulty, produce halal food. The same certainly isn't true of kosher food. Here's an account of making a (fairly simple) food factory kosher: https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/certification-process/1368/how-to-kosher-a-plant-individual-stories/ https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/c... . For a commercial kitchen, you likely have worse problems; beyond the initial setup, you'd at a minimum need segregated areas, utensils and appliances for milk, meat and neither. You'd also need a lot of training. There's no reason to think there's any anti-semitism here; it's just an issue of practicality.
ars 7y ago
There's really no way for them to do it anyway, the rules of kosher are far too complex for them to implement. But do not worry, there are Jewish organizations helping those who need it.

by Zenst 7y ago

calvinmorrison 7y ago

> because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( The Talmud describes plenty of instances when breaking the laws are the correct thing to do in cases of life and death. Starvation being one of them.

Zenst 7y ago
Yes, and also one of the few avenues of legal suicide in the UK and many countries that do not easily or legally allow assisted suicide for those wanting it to avoid further suffering.

blisterpeanuts 7y ago

Perhaps it would make more sense to offer kosher rather than halal, since Muslims accept kosher, whereas Jews don't accept halal (because not blessed by a rabbi, I believe).

Zenst 7y ago
http://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-kosher/ http://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-ko...
- jshevek 7y ago
  If you disagree with the parent, you could courteously exert the small effort to explain why directly and briefly.
  - Zenst 7y ago
    I wasn't agreeing or disagree and that was a presumption all of your own.
    - jshevek 7y ago
      Presumptions are not prefaced by "if", hypotheticals are.

kingkawn 7y ago

Your comment is condemning the logistical choice while ignoring that there are many different kosher authorities and no one would satisfyingly serve the entire nyc religious Jewish community

Zenst 7y ago
It was a valid observation based on the data at hand, but let's leave it at that. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
- kingkawn 7y ago
  The data at hand indicates that there would not be a way to serve kosher food given the broad number of kosher authorities, many of whom are in direct conflict over religious validity making trying to appease them impossible. The nyc school system has lots of experience with these communities and knows what it is doing in terms of how to reach the most people.

jshevek 7y ago

>replying instead of blind downvote because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( [It damages the conversation when people assume] racism when there is no evidence of racism.

Zenst 7y ago
I wasn't assuming, just going by the data and evidence at hand and let's leave it at that. I'm off for a walk, not sure I'm comming back either.

jshevek 7y ago

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."

Zenst 7y ago
Agreed - however in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel that people should not be allowed to downvote without comment and avoid turning this into reddit. I raised a fair and valid observation and yet, well, hard to ignore such things and I'm not going to debate why as politics is bad. Thank you for your concerns and not blindly dismissing the point as many have and did do. I'm going for a walk now, I may be some time.
- jshevek 7y ago
  >in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel I have felt similarly in the past, in similar situations. Play it through though, in a variety of cases, and we see why it's not just allowed, but a good thing.

rsynnott 7y ago

> as I do not wish to draw sad conclusions that appear evident The sad conclusion that appears evident would seem to be that you didn't do the research. Any commercial kitchen can, without significant difficulty, produce halal food. The same certainly isn't true of kosher food. Here's an account of making a (fairly simple) food factory kosher: https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/certification-process/1368/how-to-kosher-a-plant-individual-stories/ https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/c... . For a commercial kitchen, you likely have worse problems; beyond the initial setup, you'd at a minimum need segregated areas, utensils and appliances for milk, meat and neither. You'd also need a lot of training. There's no reason to think there's any anti-semitism here; it's just an issue of practicality.

ars 7y ago

There's really no way for them to do it anyway, the rules of kosher are far too complex for them to implement. But do not worry, there are Jewish organizations helping those who need it.