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New York City, that is. Not New York State.
by arbitrage 7y ago
New York City, that is. Not New York State.
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- Zenst 7y agoAlso no kosher option. Still Halal and Vegetarian options available, so clearly some thought given and overlooked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City
- fraktl 7y agoIf I were given food for free when I have no food, I'd eat anything. Not a New Yorker, was through war when I was a kid, speaking from experience.
- Zenst 7y agoYet they singled out one religious dietary requirements whilst ignoring a whole demographic with a large populus and history of the area - colour me perplexed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_New_York_City Still, thank you for replying instead of blind downvote because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( [EDIT ADD] WOW this comment has gone up and down like crazy - was +4 few mins ago, now -2 (as I type) - I'm stepping away from this forum for a bit as I do not wish to draw sad conclusions that appear evident :((
- calvinmorrison 7y ago> because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( The Talmud describes plenty of instances when breaking the laws are the correct thing to do in cases of life and death. Starvation being one of them.
- Zenst 7y agoYes, and also one of the few avenues of legal suicide in the UK and many countries that do not easily or legally allow assisted suicide for those wanting it to avoid further suffering.
- blisterpeanuts 7y agoPerhaps it would make more sense to offer kosher rather than halal, since Muslims accept kosher, whereas Jews don't accept halal (because not blessed by a rabbi, I believe).
- Zenst 7y agohttp://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-kosher/ http://dpointernational.com/the-differences-between-halal-ko...
- kingkawn 7y agoYour comment is condemning the logistical choice while ignoring that there are many different kosher authorities and no one would satisfyingly serve the entire nyc religious Jewish community
- Zenst 7y agoIt was a valid observation based on the data at hand, but let's leave it at that. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
- kingkawn 7y agoThe data at hand indicates that there would not be a way to serve kosher food given the broad number of kosher authorities, many of whom are in direct conflict over religious validity making trying to appease them impossible. The nyc school system has lots of experience with these communities and knows what it is doing in terms of how to reach the most people.
- jshevek 7y ago>replying instead of blind downvote because antisemitisim has many forms it seems, even here :( [It damages the conversation when people assume] racism when there is no evidence of racism.
- Zenst 7y agoI wasn't assuming, just going by the data and evidence at hand and let's leave it at that. I'm off for a walk, not sure I'm comming back either.
- jshevek 7y ago"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading."
- Zenst 7y agoAgreed - however in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel that people should not be allowed to downvote without comment and avoid turning this into reddit. I raised a fair and valid observation and yet, well, hard to ignore such things and I'm not going to debate why as politics is bad. Thank you for your concerns and not blindly dismissing the point as many have and did do. I'm going for a walk now, I may be some time.
- jshevek 7y ago>in light of the sudden downvote withoutcomment, you kinda feel I have felt similarly in the past, in similar situations. Play it through though, in a variety of cases, and we see why it's not just allowed, but a good thing.
- rsynnott 7y ago> as I do not wish to draw sad conclusions that appear evident The sad conclusion that appears evident would seem to be that you didn't do the research. Any commercial kitchen can, without significant difficulty, produce halal food. The same certainly isn't true of kosher food. Here's an account of making a (fairly simple) food factory kosher: https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/certification-process/1368/how-to-kosher-a-plant-individual-stories/ https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/getting-certified/c... . For a commercial kitchen, you likely have worse problems; beyond the initial setup, you'd at a minimum need segregated areas, utensils and appliances for milk, meat and neither. You'd also need a lot of training. There's no reason to think there's any anti-semitism here; it's just an issue of practicality.
- ars 7y agoThere's really no way for them to do it anyway, the rules of kosher are far too complex for them to implement. But do not worry, there are Jewish organizations helping those who need it.
- zelltech 7y agoDoesn't sound very inclusive. Would like to see some Vegan and Gluten-free dishes - might pop down with my recycled tupperware!
- tnel77 7y agoVegan and gluten-free really starts to balloon the already immense challenge they are facing trying to implement here. I feel bad for the three people that actually need gluten-free, but everyone else will have to eat “that deadly gluten!”
- Zenst 7y agoYou will find there are more than just `three` people given how many gluten-free restaurants there are in the area: https://ny.eater.com/maps/nyc-best-gluten-free-restaurants https://ny.eater.com/maps/nyc-best-gluten-free-restaurants Maybe you have data that shows those `three` people eat a lot and able to sustain all those restaurants?
- jshevek 7y agoI don't know how many people have a valid medical need to avoid gluten, but I do know that in certain subcultures it is popular to imagine one has a gluten intolerance. Edit: Just discovered spurious accusations of racism in this thread so let me clarify that the "certain subcultures" are not ethnic nor religious. I'm talking about the kind of people who believe in astrology, homeopathy, and acupuncture, who talk about fibromyalgia and craniosacral all the time.
- adrianN 7y agoMost vegetarian meals should be kosher, right? And I believe there are exceptions for unusual circumstances in the rules.
- Zenst 7y agoAFAIK yes, but then, they are just as equally Halal compliant and felt the need to specially cater for that group of dietary needs over another - would love to know the logic going on there upon this.
- rsynnott 7y agoIt's far, far easier to prepare halal food than kosher food, in that the halal rules are mostly just around ingredients. Kosher gets a _lot_ more complicated. For instance, essentially all vegetarian food is halal, but it probably isn't kosher.
- NovemberWhiskey 7y agoUh no. One of the primary reasons why kosher is more expensive and logistically difficult than some other dietary requirements are the requirements for separation of kitchen space, rules around treatment of utensils and so on.
- anthonypasq 7y agono one making vegetarian food is going to use utensils that have touched meat. So I dont see how vegetarian food could not be kosher. Am i missing something?
- adrianN 7y agoI recently learned that insects are not kosher, so some Jews don't consider figs to be kosher because of the fig wasps. There are probably more examples.
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- rashkov 7y agothe Masbia organization already has that covered
- ginko 7y agoAs far as I understand, food prepared by a non-Jew isn't kosher even if the ingredients are. This is not the case for halal food, which may be prepared by non-Muslims.
- gshdg 7y agoInterestingly, kosher food is usually considered acceptable under Halal but not vice-versa; so if they made kosher meals they'd be covering both.
- mehrdadn 7y agoI don't know where this widespread misconception has come from, but it is not true. Unless by "kosher food" you mean kosher lettuce and pickles or something, rather than meat.
- atdrummond 7y agoA homeless friend of mine is stuck in NYC and his family’s daily meals were (are) provided by this service - despite neither him nor his children being NYC residents. I am sure enough other adults (parents or otherwise) were receiving this food that making such disbursements allowed was mainly about legitimizing the good that was already occurring than accidentally admitting that significant amounts of people were presently being turned without food. TL;DR: I’m sure NY residents not in the city can get the food if so desired, especially as the system operates on the honor code.
- fart_ratty 7y ago> No registration or ID required So, it sounds like anyone that shows up can get food.
- atdrummond 7y agoI’m interested as to what is offensive about this reply.