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This is such bullshit. As soon as the body count starts to rise all this nonsense is going to out the window and the "exceptional" Swedes will be ordered to cow

This is such bullshit. As soon as the body count starts to rise all this nonsense is going to out the window and the "exceptional" Swedes will be ordered to cower in their homes just like everybody else.

tomp 7y ago
100% This was exactly UK / Boris Johnoson's approach. He flipped as soon as the updated models indicated that 100k+ people will die. No leader wants that as their legacy.
- ianai 7y ago
  Trump seems to be ok with it in so far as he’s telling people to accept it as a good outcome.
- Arnt 7y ago
  You get it wrong; the Swedes are permitted to do stuff and encouraged not to, Boris went around doing the stuff Swedes are encouraged not to, until he changed his mind. The Swedes aren't a people who have to be forced to be careful and will look for every opportunity to cut corners. Non sono furbi.
odshoifsdhfs 7y ago
The thing is, at least for now, they seem to be in line with other countries that took all the measures. Sweden has a very similar number of cases/deaths and population as Portugal which locked schools 3 weeks ago, and the rest of the country 2 weeks ago, but Sweden [1] had the initial reported cases many weeks before then Portugal [2] (for deaths [3]). (I couldn't find number of tests done in each country so that may be a variable there that may mess these values) I guess the next couple weeks will show which approach is better. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coron... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107359/coronavirus[-cases-portugal-cumulative/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107359/coronavirus[-cas... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coron...
- _-___________-_ 7y ago
  Yeah, I'm watching closely. There is no actual evidence supporting strict lockdowns, despite everyone talking about them as if they're proven to be the only solution. So far, Sweden is showing that perhaps a balanced approach that doesn't destroy your economy can work equally well. Hopefully soon there will be some evidence one way or another.
  - raducu 7y ago
    Sweden is quite different as a society and societal habits than the rest of the world, I don't think we can apply much of what they are doing to India or Iran, perhaps it's applicable to Norway or Finland.
    - _-___________-_ 7y ago
      I think Stockholm / Copenhagen would be a pretty good comparison.
    - cpach 7y ago
      Good point. Sweden is a small country and not very densely populated, even in the metro areas.
  - cpach 7y ago
    Just to be clear, even here in Sweden the economy has taken a big hit. People lose their jobs, companies go bankrupt. So the situation is still dire.
    - _-___________-_ 7y ago
      Understood - one would hopefully expect the impact to be somewhat lesser, but if people choose to impose the lockdown on themselves without the government enforcing it, I guess it could end up being much the same.
  - computerex 7y ago
    > There is no actual evidence supporting strict lockdowns That's false. Aside from common sense, that restricting contact would decrease transmission, China and Italy both reduced their infections by employing a strict lockdown. These policies are being borrowed straight from China and Italy. They both had it really bad, and they managed to get on the other side of the peak.
zabana 7y ago
This virus has been circulating Europe for more than two months now and people keep parroting the same old "in two weeks time, expect 600K deaths because its exponential" line. It's like some of you WANT this doomer scenario to play out. If anything, this crisis seems more like one of purpose than a sanitary one. To everyone who's reading this: stay safe, spread positivity and most importantly find your purpose. And to the Swedes: keep being awesome, I hope you come out of this stronger because we're definitely going to need new furniture when this whole thing blows over :)

tomp 7y ago

100% This was exactly UK / Boris Johnoson's approach. He flipped as soon as the updated models indicated that 100k+ people will die. No leader wants that as their legacy.

ianai 7y ago
Trump seems to be ok with it in so far as he’s telling people to accept it as a good outcome.
Arnt 7y ago
You get it wrong; the Swedes are permitted to do stuff and encouraged not to, Boris went around doing the stuff Swedes are encouraged not to, until he changed his mind. The Swedes aren't a people who have to be forced to be careful and will look for every opportunity to cut corners. Non sono furbi.

odshoifsdhfs 7y ago

The thing is, at least for now, they seem to be in line with other countries that took all the measures. Sweden has a very similar number of cases/deaths and population as Portugal which locked schools 3 weeks ago, and the rest of the country 2 weeks ago, but Sweden [1] had the initial reported cases many weeks before then Portugal [2] (for deaths [3]). (I couldn't find number of tests done in each country so that may be a variable there that may mess these values) I guess the next couple weeks will show which approach is better. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coron... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107359/coronavirus[-cases-portugal-cumulative/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107359/coronavirus[-cas... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coron...

_-___________-_ 7y ago
Yeah, I'm watching closely. There is no actual evidence supporting strict lockdowns, despite everyone talking about them as if they're proven to be the only solution. So far, Sweden is showing that perhaps a balanced approach that doesn't destroy your economy can work equally well. Hopefully soon there will be some evidence one way or another.
- raducu 7y ago
  Sweden is quite different as a society and societal habits than the rest of the world, I don't think we can apply much of what they are doing to India or Iran, perhaps it's applicable to Norway or Finland.
  - _-___________-_ 7y ago
    I think Stockholm / Copenhagen would be a pretty good comparison.
  - cpach 7y ago
    Good point. Sweden is a small country and not very densely populated, even in the metro areas.
- cpach 7y ago
  Just to be clear, even here in Sweden the economy has taken a big hit. People lose their jobs, companies go bankrupt. So the situation is still dire.
  - _-___________-_ 7y ago
    Understood - one would hopefully expect the impact to be somewhat lesser, but if people choose to impose the lockdown on themselves without the government enforcing it, I guess it could end up being much the same.
- computerex 7y ago
  > There is no actual evidence supporting strict lockdowns That's false. Aside from common sense, that restricting contact would decrease transmission, China and Italy both reduced their infections by employing a strict lockdown. These policies are being borrowed straight from China and Italy. They both had it really bad, and they managed to get on the other side of the peak.

zabana 7y ago

This virus has been circulating Europe for more than two months now and people keep parroting the same old "in two weeks time, expect 600K deaths because its exponential" line. It's like some of you WANT this doomer scenario to play out. If anything, this crisis seems more like one of purpose than a sanitary one. To everyone who's reading this: stay safe, spread positivity and most importantly find your purpose. And to the Swedes: keep being awesome, I hope you come out of this stronger because we're definitely going to need new furniture when this whole thing blows over :)