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> Only a small part of the economic issues are caused by sanctions: Forbes is part of the pro-regime change crowd, just like the nytimes, washington post, etc.

> Only a small part of the economic issues are caused by sanctions: Forbes is part of the pro-regime change crowd, just like the nytimes, washington post, etc. If sanctions are so neglible, then why bother with it? Let venezuela crumble on its own. Or maybe the fact that it wasn't crumbling was the reason to sanction/destabilize/destroy it? > Cuba went through the same but didn't turn out like that. Turn out like what? > Looking at your post history you appear to support the genocide of millions of Muslim Uyghurs in China + Chinese colonization of Africa, maybe try being less of a tankie and look more into the facts. People can freely look at my comment history and tell that you are lying. So why bother lying with your throwaway? Maybe you can answer my question. "What's with the ridiculous anti-venezuelan propaganda all of a sudden everywhere on social media?"

zelltech 7y ago
Stop playing dumb - Cuba didn't turn out like Venezuela despite much more pressure. You'll even find non-propaganda fiend socialists on Twitter saying that the sanctions were only one of multiple reasons that the country tanked Most Venezuelans are speaking out against privileged middle class white whole-foods Western Leftists like you
totalZero 7y ago
Please educate yourself. The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies. This has nothing to do with Forbes or NYT or WP or whatever other newspaper for which you may have a distaste. The reason that Venezuelans are starving is because the government has been confiscating private farmland for many years, since the time of Chavez. (I wonder what they are growing on that land now.) This led to a greater level of importation of food, which became unsustainable when the oil price crash of 2014 demolished an easy source of revenue for the government. Cuba is another example of an impoverished nation in Latin America that is propped up by Russia. Nicaragua is a third. Panama is one example of a Latin American nation that generates enormous amounts of profit based on past and ongoing US investment. Chile is another. Even if we ignore recent protests in both countries, I would rather live in Chile than in Nicaragua. I can tell you that for my part, I am commenting about Venezuela because the submission is a news article about Venezuela. I think that is very obvious and it is a little discouraging that you label my views as "propaganda" just because you don't like or agree with them.
- dntbnmpls 7y ago
  > The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies. I know. Does it seem like I don't know that or how sanctions work. But since you also know, you know your comment is misleading. Any sanction on any official has economy wide repercussions. Trump could place a sanction on Norway's Minister of National Park's grandchild and destroy the Norwegian economy. Sanctions are like stink bombs, it make target one person, but it affect everyone around them. It's a message to every other nation to "stay away" by the only superpower on earth. > Cuba is another example of an impoverished nation in Latin America that is propped up by Russia. Nicaragua is a third. You mean nations targeted by the US for destabilization right? If it wasn't for US sanctions/invasions/etc, I suspect cuba and nicaragua would be much better off. > I am commenting about Venezuela because the submission is a news article about Venezuela. You are parroting the same pro-regime change propaganda that's all over social media. The exact same nonsense and its getting boring having to correct it. There's one thing you wrote that I agree with - "I would rather live in Chile than in Nicaragua." So do it. Stop pushing for the invasion and destruction of nations just because you have a financial/political/etc stake. If you don't like venezuela or bolivia, then don't go there. Why push for coups/invasions/etc which will lead to the deaths and suffering of millions? No country is perfect, let them work things out.

zelltech 7y ago

Stop playing dumb - Cuba didn't turn out like Venezuela despite much more pressure. You'll even find non-propaganda fiend socialists on Twitter saying that the sanctions were only one of multiple reasons that the country tanked Most Venezuelans are speaking out against privileged middle class white whole-foods Western Leftists like you

totalZero 7y ago

Please educate yourself. The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies. This has nothing to do with Forbes or NYT or WP or whatever other newspaper for which you may have a distaste. The reason that Venezuelans are starving is because the government has been confiscating private farmland for many years, since the time of Chavez. (I wonder what they are growing on that land now.) This led to a greater level of importation of food, which became unsustainable when the oil price crash of 2014 demolished an easy source of revenue for the government. Cuba is another example of an impoverished nation in Latin America that is propped up by Russia. Nicaragua is a third. Panama is one example of a Latin American nation that generates enormous amounts of profit based on past and ongoing US investment. Chile is another. Even if we ignore recent protests in both countries, I would rather live in Chile than in Nicaragua. I can tell you that for my part, I am commenting about Venezuela because the submission is a news article about Venezuela. I think that is very obvious and it is a little discouraging that you label my views as "propaganda" just because you don't like or agree with them.

dntbnmpls 7y ago
> The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies. I know. Does it seem like I don't know that or how sanctions work. But since you also know, you know your comment is misleading. Any sanction on any official has economy wide repercussions. Trump could place a sanction on Norway's Minister of National Park's grandchild and destroy the Norwegian economy. Sanctions are like stink bombs, it make target one person, but it affect everyone around them. It's a message to every other nation to "stay away" by the only superpower on earth. > Cuba is another example of an impoverished nation in Latin America that is propped up by Russia. Nicaragua is a third. You mean nations targeted by the US for destabilization right? If it wasn't for US sanctions/invasions/etc, I suspect cuba and nicaragua would be much better off. > I am commenting about Venezuela because the submission is a news article about Venezuela. You are parroting the same pro-regime change propaganda that's all over social media. The exact same nonsense and its getting boring having to correct it. There's one thing you wrote that I agree with - "I would rather live in Chile than in Nicaragua." So do it. Stop pushing for the invasion and destruction of nations just because you have a financial/political/etc stake. If you don't like venezuela or bolivia, then don't go there. Why push for coups/invasions/etc which will lead to the deaths and suffering of millions? No country is perfect, let them work things out.