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>Yeah it seems you can't do a "fake acupunture" study, but that's not its fault. Actually you can. More specifically, you can place needles randomly/arbitraril

by M2Ys4U 7y ago

>Yeah it seems you can't do a "fake acupunture" study, but that's not its fault. Actually you can. More specifically, you can place needles randomly/arbitrarily rather than looking at "energy lines" or "chi" or whatever utter bollocks proponents of acupuncture spout. Turns out, it performs at the same level as placebo. Just like "real" acupuncture.

raverbashing 7y ago
As I said the lines are probably BS anyway But you can't do something that feels like getting poked with needles but isn't
nprateem 7y ago
> "energy lines" or "chi" or whatever utter bollocks proponents of acupuncture spout. I do love an open mind. Here's a simple and fun way to perhaps convince yourself that this 'utter bollocks' has something to it. Learn tantric sex. Seriously. It's insightful when you realise you can use your mind to control your sexual energy and last far longer than when you don't 'move your chi along energy lines'.
- M2Ys4U 7y ago
  >I do love an open mind. As do I, but one's mind shouldn't be so open that the brain falls out. >Here's a simple and fun way to perhaps convince yourself that this 'utter bollocks' has something to it. No. The way to decide whether there's something in it is to perform a robust clinical study. People have, and the results have shown that, in layman's terms, it's utter bollocks.
jlokier 7y ago
Therepautic or medical effects are not the only thing worth noticing. There is basic sensory experience as well, which might lead to nothing particularly medical. Being poked at some points feels distinctly different than being poked elsewhere. One feels like electrical currents along paths in the body, the other does not. Like, as in what a gentle electric shock feels like. There are other sensations available too. What feels like heat or cold, as well as in some places a strangely magnetic-like effect where it feels like the flesh is being pulled or pushed from a metallic object nearby, and other sensations I'd find difficult to describe such as "a sudden urge to breathe" or "empty feeling in the tummy", or "an uncomfortable jarring sensation" or "awash with light and relief", but they are still quite distinctive and feel undismissable once noticed. They feel "half imaginary", as they are versions of what's always around but not always so clearly noticed and obvious. Yet definite, very distinct from imagined or visualised feelings. Like the difference between imagining a pinch, versus feeling a real one. (That's not so different from objectively measurable optical and acoustic phenoma - we don't tend to notice subtle variations in data from our environment until we recognise them.) At least to me. It is known in acupuncture circles that people feel different things. Even acupuncturists themselves have very different experiences. Some do it by feel in their fingertips or elsewhere; others don't feel anything but do it from knowledge/training. It may be that "sensitivity" for want of a better term is widely variable. And it may be circumstantial as well, adding reasons to doubt our own subjective sensory data. But should we declare that the subjective sensation, which seems to make itself strong and obvious to some people, is an entirely meaningless "imaginary" experience?

by M2Ys4U 7y ago

raverbashing 7y ago

As I said the lines are probably BS anyway But you can't do something that feels like getting poked with needles but isn't

nprateem 7y ago

> "energy lines" or "chi" or whatever utter bollocks proponents of acupuncture spout. I do love an open mind. Here's a simple and fun way to perhaps convince yourself that this 'utter bollocks' has something to it. Learn tantric sex. Seriously. It's insightful when you realise you can use your mind to control your sexual energy and last far longer than when you don't 'move your chi along energy lines'.

M2Ys4U 7y ago
>I do love an open mind. As do I, but one's mind shouldn't be so open that the brain falls out. >Here's a simple and fun way to perhaps convince yourself that this 'utter bollocks' has something to it. No. The way to decide whether there's something in it is to perform a robust clinical study. People have, and the results have shown that, in layman's terms, it's utter bollocks.

jlokier 7y ago

Therepautic or medical effects are not the only thing worth noticing. There is basic sensory experience as well, which might lead to nothing particularly medical. Being poked at some points feels distinctly different than being poked elsewhere. One feels like electrical currents along paths in the body, the other does not. Like, as in what a gentle electric shock feels like. There are other sensations available too. What feels like heat or cold, as well as in some places a strangely magnetic-like effect where it feels like the flesh is being pulled or pushed from a metallic object nearby, and other sensations I'd find difficult to describe such as "a sudden urge to breathe" or "empty feeling in the tummy", or "an uncomfortable jarring sensation" or "awash with light and relief", but they are still quite distinctive and feel undismissable once noticed. They feel "half imaginary", as they are versions of what's always around but not always so clearly noticed and obvious. Yet definite, very distinct from imagined or visualised feelings. Like the difference between imagining a pinch, versus feeling a real one. (That's not so different from objectively measurable optical and acoustic phenoma - we don't tend to notice subtle variations in data from our environment until we recognise them.) At least to me. It is known in acupuncture circles that people feel different things. Even acupuncturists themselves have very different experiences. Some do it by feel in their fingertips or elsewhere; others don't feel anything but do it from knowledge/training. It may be that "sensitivity" for want of a better term is widely variable. And it may be circumstantial as well, adding reasons to doubt our own subjective sensory data. But should we declare that the subjective sensation, which seems to make itself strong and obvious to some people, is an entirely meaningless "imaginary" experience?