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A public entity, whose stated mission is to provide timely and accurate information to the public, actually lies to the public in order to influence some third-

A public entity, whose stated mission is to provide timely and accurate information to the public, actually lies to the public in order to influence some third-hand outcome, such as less hoarding: a net positive? I would argue no, not a net positive at all. To start, nearly everyone now distrusts the CDC (and WHO) to deliver accurate information.

loeg 7y ago
That is not their mission, stated or otherwise. The repeated emphasis is on health and saving lives. > CDC works 24/7 to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same. > CDC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise. I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well.
- MaulingMonkey 7y ago
  >> CDC conducts critical science and provides health information Lies undermine all of this. Lies undermine the means by which they accomplish their mission. > the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well One point of ancedata: not all of us.
- asdkjh345fd 7y ago
  >The repeated emphasis is on health and saving lives. And they just killed thousands of people, potentially tens of thousands. They know, as we have known for decades, that even simple, home made, cloth masks provide a huge reduction in the spread of respiratory diseases. >I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well. Anecdotally, that does not seem to be the case. I don't know anyone who trusts the CDC or WHO now, and a bunch of people now think the WHO is a Chinese organization trying to deliberately kill Americans, and the CDC has been infiltrated and subverted by them. That seems like a major barrier to effectively preventing future epidemics.
- rendall 7y ago
  > I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well. This implies that trusting public health organizations is some kind of personal preference? Or that health organizations are inherent liars? Not sure what you're getting at. Let's adjust the statement a bit to parse out its meaning, and make it not about health organizations, but about lying organizations. "I think the same people who were inclined to distrust [lying] organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust [lying] organizations probably continue to do so as well." That's a true statement that I can get behind.

loeg 7y ago

That is not their mission, stated or otherwise. The repeated emphasis is on health and saving lives. > CDC works 24/7 to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same. > CDC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise. I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well.

MaulingMonkey 7y ago
>> CDC conducts critical science and provides health information Lies undermine all of this. Lies undermine the means by which they accomplish their mission. > the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well One point of ancedata: not all of us.
asdkjh345fd 7y ago
>The repeated emphasis is on health and saving lives. And they just killed thousands of people, potentially tens of thousands. They know, as we have known for decades, that even simple, home made, cloth masks provide a huge reduction in the spread of respiratory diseases. >I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well. Anecdotally, that does not seem to be the case. I don't know anyone who trusts the CDC or WHO now, and a bunch of people now think the WHO is a Chinese organization trying to deliberately kill Americans, and the CDC has been infiltrated and subverted by them. That seems like a major barrier to effectively preventing future epidemics.
rendall 7y ago
> I think the same people who were inclined to distrust health organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust health organizations probably continue to do so as well. This implies that trusting public health organizations is some kind of personal preference? Or that health organizations are inherent liars? Not sure what you're getting at. Let's adjust the statement a bit to parse out its meaning, and make it not about health organizations, but about lying organizations. "I think the same people who were inclined to distrust [lying] organizations probably continue to do so, and the folks who were inclined to trust [lying] organizations probably continue to do so as well." That's a true statement that I can get behind.