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> their governments don't systemically murder dissenters and commit genocide. Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs as it would

> their governments don't systemically murder dissenters and commit genocide. Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs as it would be an insult to the native americans, jews, armenians, etc who actually experienced real genocide. > but the people of China are being dominated by a group that anyone with a shred of morality ought to be very wary of. Dominated by a group that liberated china from brutal european, japanese and american colonizers? Dominated by a group that lifted 800 million chinese out of poverty? If the chinese people don't want the chinese government, there is nothing the chinese government can do. Perhaps, just perhaps, the chinese government has done a lot of good as well? That's why they are able to maintain power? Maybe? And if we are talking about morality, you haven't listed a single government that has morality.

hatsunearu 7y ago
>Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs as it would be an insult to the native americans, jews, armenians, etc who actually experienced real genocide. What about good old fashioned Han Chinese? Mao's rule was devastating. Killed more than WWII killed /people/. Also the kill number isn't the factor here. It's not call of duty. That's like saying people who died in Columbine should just stop whining because millions of Jews died.
- dntbnmpls 7y ago
  > What about good old fashioned Han Chinese? Mao's rule was devastating. Killed more than WWII killed /people/. Yes. And the american civil war killed more americans than every other war america was involved in. Doesn't make it a genocide. Genocide has a specific meaning. Using your definition, every war, civil war, etc is genocide. That's simply not true. > Also the kill number isn't the factor here. I agree so why the "Killed more than WWII killed /people/." nonsense? > That's like saying people who died in Columbine should just stop whining because millions of Jews died. Nobody calls columbine a genocide. That's the point. Once again, genocide has a very specific meaning.
seneca 7y ago
> Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs ... What color is the sky? Don't say blue!
Grue3 7y ago
>Don't say uyghurs I'll say it. Uighurs. Also Tibetans.
jobigoud 7y ago
> If the chinese people don't want the chinese government, there is nothing the chinese government can do. Isn't this a bit naive? How do you figure dictatorships ever stay in place? When the power in place controls everything, uprising is almost impossible.
- dntbnmpls 7y ago
  > Isn't this a bit naive? No. It's naive the other way around. Think about it. There are 1.4 billion chinese. There isn't a government more concerned about the "happiness" of their people than the chinese government. If the chinese people aren't "happy", then the government is blamed, attacked and destroyed - and many political leaders killed. Who do you think is more concerned with the welfare of their people - Xi or Trump? I'd say Xi since his very life depends on it while Trump could ruin the US and go back to his business and have the next president clean up his mess. > How do you figure dictatorships ever stay in place? How do you figure dictatorships ever lose their place? > When the power in place controls everything That's also true of democracies as well as dictatorships. > uprising is almost impossible. Uprisings are impossible when times are good. Peope revolt over empty stomachs and economic interests. All indications are times have been very good for the chinese people the last few decades. So I'd suspect most chinese are quite supportive of their government - especially now that they are engaged in a trade war. But then again, it's their country and their government. It's rather paternalistic to think the chinese are incapable of looking out for their best interests.

hatsunearu 7y ago

>Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs as it would be an insult to the native americans, jews, armenians, etc who actually experienced real genocide. What about good old fashioned Han Chinese? Mao's rule was devastating. Killed more than WWII killed /people/. Also the kill number isn't the factor here. It's not call of duty. That's like saying people who died in Columbine should just stop whining because millions of Jews died.

dntbnmpls 7y ago
> What about good old fashioned Han Chinese? Mao's rule was devastating. Killed more than WWII killed /people/. Yes. And the american civil war killed more americans than every other war america was involved in. Doesn't make it a genocide. Genocide has a specific meaning. Using your definition, every war, civil war, etc is genocide. That's simply not true. > Also the kill number isn't the factor here. I agree so why the "Killed more than WWII killed /people/." nonsense? > That's like saying people who died in Columbine should just stop whining because millions of Jews died. Nobody calls columbine a genocide. That's the point. Once again, genocide has a very specific meaning.

seneca 7y ago

> Which people has china committed genocide against? Don't say uyghurs ... What color is the sky? Don't say blue!

Grue3 7y ago

>Don't say uyghurs I'll say it. Uighurs. Also Tibetans.

jobigoud 7y ago

> If the chinese people don't want the chinese government, there is nothing the chinese government can do. Isn't this a bit naive? How do you figure dictatorships ever stay in place? When the power in place controls everything, uprising is almost impossible.

dntbnmpls 7y ago
> Isn't this a bit naive? No. It's naive the other way around. Think about it. There are 1.4 billion chinese. There isn't a government more concerned about the "happiness" of their people than the chinese government. If the chinese people aren't "happy", then the government is blamed, attacked and destroyed - and many political leaders killed. Who do you think is more concerned with the welfare of their people - Xi or Trump? I'd say Xi since his very life depends on it while Trump could ruin the US and go back to his business and have the next president clean up his mess. > How do you figure dictatorships ever stay in place? How do you figure dictatorships ever lose their place? > When the power in place controls everything That's also true of democracies as well as dictatorships. > uprising is almost impossible. Uprisings are impossible when times are good. Peope revolt over empty stomachs and economic interests. All indications are times have been very good for the chinese people the last few decades. So I'd suspect most chinese are quite supportive of their government - especially now that they are engaged in a trade war. But then again, it's their country and their government. It's rather paternalistic to think the chinese are incapable of looking out for their best interests.