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The NOSQL Tapes, vol. 9: Benjamin Black on NOSQL, Cloud Computing & fast_ip

22 points by timanglade 16y ago

zephjc 16y ago
This is interesting but very long. Is a transcript on the horizon?
- timanglade 16y ago
  Yeah, I've been looking into getting a timecoded transcript done for people to read; or for subtitles, translations, etc. If people here have any recommendations (software, service companies, etc.), I'll take them, as I haven't found anything satisfactory yet.
js4all 16y ago
This is a great inside view about nosql in production by an Amazon guy. He compares the different nosql solutions and also mysql. One conclusion: There are big differences in performance and reliability between out-of-the-box configurations and tuned configurations of all databases, SQL and NOSQL and that makes comparison very difficult. For example MongoDB is just tuned for speed and most users don't realize the risks they are taking when using the default configuration.
luckyland 16y ago
Prescient as always. Thank you for this excellent discussion. Very few people in the lively sectors of nosql and cloud computing have the ability to distill both popular concepts and misconceptions this plainly. Now, when will we see those fast_ip invites?
wrecked 16y ago
Required viewing.
Arrgh 16y ago
I wish there were a downloadable version of the video. The only way I ever watch work-related videos is on my phone, on the bus.
- benblack 16y ago
  +1
fedd 16y ago
1. Tim remembers how some guy tried to make a benchmark of Neo4j comparing it to a single MySQL table, and came out with 'see, it's faster'. i didn't quite get, what was faster it that benchmark, the first or the latter? 2. in the talk it was noted that people, if they want to improve performance, sometimes choose the tool without understanding how does it fit for their other needs. Even in relational world, i've got that Benjamin thinks that most of people using (relational) databases do understand the relational model, indices and things like that on utilitarian level like 'this makes query faster'. does he thinks that at least object oriented programming is more naturally understandable by developers? The question is about how they might use, say, OO DBs with more understanding. may we say that OO approach in programming is much less alien that map-reduce things? because if we say 'people don't understand', then they might even don't understand some other part of their programming job. 3. where did it all happen, why are there so many sirens? :)
- timanglade 16y ago
  1. I believe I was referring to Marko Rodriguez’ attempt, documented here: http://markorodriguez.com/2011/02/18/mysql-vs-neo4j-on-a-large-scale-graph-traversal/ http://markorodriguez.com/2011/02/18/mysql-vs-neo4j-on-a-lar... I love Marko to bits and he often publishes work of great insight; but I'm not sure what he was trying to demonstrate with this one. 2. I'm not going to try to get into Ben’s head — I'll let him answer that. 3. Downtown Seattle. I have no idea what emergency was going on but there sure was something :)
  - fedd 16y ago
    1. thanks! at first glance looks like the mysql setup didn't handle loops well.. 3. you were remarkably calm and didn't pay any attention, though the neighbouring house could be on fire, god forbid! :)
- benblack 16y ago
  "does he thinks that at least object oriented programming is more naturally understandable by developers? The question is about how they might use, say, OO DBs with more understanding. may we say that OO approach in programming is much less alien that map-reduce things? because if we say 'people don't understand', then they might even don't understand some other part of their programming job." OO is not natural, in my opinion, it is simply popular for a variety of reasons way outside the scope of this interview. There is no free lunch: regardless of paradigm, the best developers have a deep understanding of what is going on inside and under their applications, where that includes things like the databases on which they depend, the networks on which they depend, etc.

22 points by timanglade 16y ago

zephjc 16y ago

This is interesting but very long. Is a transcript on the horizon?

timanglade 16y ago
Yeah, I've been looking into getting a timecoded transcript done for people to read; or for subtitles, translations, etc. If people here have any recommendations (software, service companies, etc.), I'll take them, as I haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

js4all 16y ago

This is a great inside view about nosql in production by an Amazon guy. He compares the different nosql solutions and also mysql. One conclusion: There are big differences in performance and reliability between out-of-the-box configurations and tuned configurations of all databases, SQL and NOSQL and that makes comparison very difficult. For example MongoDB is just tuned for speed and most users don't realize the risks they are taking when using the default configuration.

luckyland 16y ago

Prescient as always. Thank you for this excellent discussion. Very few people in the lively sectors of nosql and cloud computing have the ability to distill both popular concepts and misconceptions this plainly. Now, when will we see those fast_ip invites?

wrecked 16y ago

Required viewing.

Arrgh 16y ago

I wish there were a downloadable version of the video. The only way I ever watch work-related videos is on my phone, on the bus.

benblack 16y ago
+1

fedd 16y ago

1. Tim remembers how some guy tried to make a benchmark of Neo4j comparing it to a single MySQL table, and came out with 'see, it's faster'. i didn't quite get, what was faster it that benchmark, the first or the latter? 2. in the talk it was noted that people, if they want to improve performance, sometimes choose the tool without understanding how does it fit for their other needs. Even in relational world, i've got that Benjamin thinks that most of people using (relational) databases do understand the relational model, indices and things like that on utilitarian level like 'this makes query faster'. does he thinks that at least object oriented programming is more naturally understandable by developers? The question is about how they might use, say, OO DBs with more understanding. may we say that OO approach in programming is much less alien that map-reduce things? because if we say 'people don't understand', then they might even don't understand some other part of their programming job. 3. where did it all happen, why are there so many sirens? :)

timanglade 16y ago
1. I believe I was referring to Marko Rodriguez’ attempt, documented here: http://markorodriguez.com/2011/02/18/mysql-vs-neo4j-on-a-large-scale-graph-traversal/ http://markorodriguez.com/2011/02/18/mysql-vs-neo4j-on-a-lar... I love Marko to bits and he often publishes work of great insight; but I'm not sure what he was trying to demonstrate with this one. 2. I'm not going to try to get into Ben’s head — I'll let him answer that. 3. Downtown Seattle. I have no idea what emergency was going on but there sure was something :)
- fedd 16y ago
  1. thanks! at first glance looks like the mysql setup didn't handle loops well.. 3. you were remarkably calm and didn't pay any attention, though the neighbouring house could be on fire, god forbid! :)
benblack 16y ago
"does he thinks that at least object oriented programming is more naturally understandable by developers? The question is about how they might use, say, OO DBs with more understanding. may we say that OO approach in programming is much less alien that map-reduce things? because if we say 'people don't understand', then they might even don't understand some other part of their programming job." OO is not natural, in my opinion, it is simply popular for a variety of reasons way outside the scope of this interview. There is no free lunch: regardless of paradigm, the best developers have a deep understanding of what is going on inside and under their applications, where that includes things like the databases on which they depend, the networks on which they depend, etc.