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> You also can't just construct your own shelter that you find adequate. It has to reach the very stringent and remarkably expensive building codes that exist v
by tathougies 7y ago
> You also can't just construct your own shelter that you find adequate. It has to reach the very stringent and remarkably expensive building codes that exist virtually everywhere.
Not really. Most of California has no building codes. From what I understand, you could buy land in the desert (or honestly, just squat, no one cares) and even if you went the legal route, no one cares if you do whatever you want.
Of course, all the desirable land is taken and expensive because you'll have to convince someone else to give up its use to you.
- ngngngng 7y ago> Of course, all the desirable land is taken and expensive because you'll have to convince someone else to give up its use to you. This is also crucial to the point I'm trying to make. Everything is already owned by somebody. Some of this "owned" land hasn't had anything done to it yet and likely won't for another hundred years, but you still can't use it, because it's "owned".
- tathougies 7y agoWell this is no different than hunter gatherer society where land was 'owned' by those willing able to defend it. If your tribe couldn't defend your land from invading tribes, the other tribe would take ownership of it. What you're ultimately complaining about is that other people exist, which is often noteworthy of complaint, but you'll be hardpressed to find a solution.
- jerf 7y agoWell, just consider that an authentic element of the pre-civilization experience. If it wasn't owned by another human, it was owned by other animals. If you want a life just handed to you without having to fight for it, civilization's much better at providing that than pre-civilization ever was.
- sushisource 7y agoOK, but, knowing this, how is it somehow "unfair" that you can't... what... steal this land from the people who have it now so you can drop out of society? That seems just as unfair, but from a different perspective.
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- dTal 7y agoWell, if we're talking "fairness", why is it "fair" that someone gets to permanently deny a piece of the Earth to everyone else? It's not like they made it in the first place, it's not even possible to make more. I argue that every fenced-off area incurs a debt to every citizen of the Earth.
- nkingsy 7y agoThe state possesses a monopoly on the use of force, so the only way to acquire a useful place to live is to have money or expose yourself to the state’s wrath.
- abeppu 7y ago> Most of California has no building codes. Can you expand on that? My understanding was quite the opposite. https://www.dgs.ca.gov/BSC/Codes https://www.dgs.ca.gov/BSC/Codes
- btilly 7y agoVerified. In particular if you try to "get away from it all", you need to pay close attention to the California wildland urban interface code. That says things like what materials are acceptable for your house, and how you have to clear brush within 100' (or to your property line) of your house.
- vinceguidry 7y ago> how you have to clear brush within 100' (or to your property line) of your house. That's so a wildfire doesn't ruin your day. They come in fast. Burning embers will rain down on you and they will travel as far as 100'.