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This response from Amazon is better than nothing, but given that recent figures show that up to 25% of people may be asymptomatic, might these temperature check
by oski 7y ago
This response from Amazon is better than nothing, but given that recent figures show that up to 25% of people may be asymptomatic, might these temperature checks give people a false sense of security? They should have any employee with _any_ symptoms stay home and self-quarantine for longer than 3 days.
They should really focus on getting face masks for employees faster by using nonmedical fabric masks, which can help prevent asymptomatic transmission by blocking respiratory droplets from spreading. The article says the surgical masks won't arrive until next week. And they should really be using some alternative fabric mask, rather than surgical masks which should go to healthcare workers.
Each day that interventions are delayed makes a huge difference.
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(Edited to remove suggestion to close until they get masks with a compromise to use nonmedical fabric masks.)
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago> They should shut down until they can get face masks for all employees and make them mandatory. The article says they won't arrive until next week. And they should really be using some alternative fabric mask, rather than surgical masks which should go to healthcare workers. And all the people ordering from Amazon? I would assume that on the whole, Amazon is better than every member of the public physically going out and shopping at a store.
- datingscientist 7y agoI thought a fair amount of the contact work was done by robots, at least for the inner packaged items. The virus apparently doesn't do great on cardboard; you've got a day or so of transit time for it to wear down...
- SloopJon 7y agoAmazon has sponsored a picking challenge for a few years now, but I'm not aware of this level of automation being deployed in production. The last I saw, a Kiva robot would bring a shelf of items to a human picker, who transferred an item from a bin to a box.
- reaperducer 7y agoThe virus apparently doesn't do great on cardboard; you've got a day or so of transit time for it to wear down... Assuming the guy who brought the package to your door isn't infected.
- adrr 7y agoIf they required masks for all supply chain jobs right now, most places would have to shutdown due to the lack of masks. People would go hungry. We need guaranteed supply of masks and hand sanitizer at reasonable prices. This where the government could step in.
- rubidium 7y agoAnd they get it from...?
- adrr 7y agoThey could force companies to produce it.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoHand sanitizer will be solved in a couple weeks. Every single distillery in my small town is pivoting to making it, as well as Bacardi and others, and I know this is happening everywhere. N95 masks though, those can’t exactly be ramped up and made in your shop.
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- fragmede 7y agoThis crisis we are in has doctors wearing halloween masks so there are people making masks at home. They're not N95 rated in the slightest, but it's better than reusing a mask to see a non-covid patient after seeing a probably-covid patient.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y agoSource of doctors wearing Halloween masks?
- rasz 7y ago
- ferzul 7y agoanti-temperature perfectionism is what got us into this mess. having quick, imperfect tests and good follow up brought South Korea under control. anti-test perfectionism means the entire west is shut down. we only had so many perfect tests, so we tested almost no one.
- techopoly 7y agoPerfect is the enemy of good.
- oski 7y agoMy point isn’t that taking temperature checks needs to be perfect, but that they are focusing their intervention on symptomatic spreading rather than asymptomatic spreading. They would benefit more with immediate action by giving employees nonmedical fabric masks and making them mandatory TODAY rather than waiting for surgical masks next week.
- dmoy 7y agoGP is agreeing with you. The phrase "perfect is the enemy of good" is a criticism of striving for perfection when you could be doing other good stuff in the meanwhile. That is, perfect (waiting for super accurate tests, etc) is the enemy of good (testing temperatures, wearing basic masks now).
- oski 7y agoOk, thanks for clarifying.
- throwaway122378 7y agoA lot of this going around lately. Just because you don’t agree with someone, their opinion isn’t the cause of this mess. OP has a point and I’ve read the number of asymptomatic as high as 50%. Other than creating more corporate control over employees, statistically how do temp checks improve the situation? A better solution would be the 5 mins tests. Then you have a 99% certainty.
- JohnJamesRambo 7y agoThis is such a great website thank you! Sharing immediately with my family. I’ve been telling them any mask helps. They keep getting hung up on “N95 needed.” Although I was proud my Mom was the only teacher wearing a (lesser) mask when they had to go in for meetings this week. Well proud of her, appalled at the others and appalled the school thinks it’s ok to meet if “it’s less than 10 people at a time.”
- reaperducer 7y agoI’ve been telling them any mask helps Yesterday the mayor of Los Angeles said that anyone going outside at all should cover their faces with some kind of home-made mask. I'm glad I saved all those free souvenir bandanas from the rodeos I've been to over the years.
- oski 7y agoThanks, I designed it to share with friends and family! Please feel free to share it (https://shouldiwearafacemask.com https://shouldiwearafacemask.com) widely.
- all_blue_chucks 7y ago"False sense of security" is a frequently misapplied concept. Your post is such an example. Something that reduces a risk (e.g. virus spread) by 5% provides very real security improvements. There is nothing "false" about it. Your concept of "false sense of security" would only apply if someone promised a 5% measure provided 100% security - and nobody is doing that.
- oski 7y agoThe “false sense of security” I refer to is for employees who go to work and get their temperature checked and think they are fine since they don’t have a fever. This is a “false sense of security” because one can have the virus and be contagious without a fever or any symptoms at all.
- all_blue_chucks 7y agoPeople have misconceptions about the virus regardless. Fever checks are not the cause.
- yitianjian 7y agoQuite a few public health professionals have stated that asymptomatic individuals, while infectious, are a very low risk vector. They don't cough or sneeze and the primary transmission rate is through droplets. I can try finding a few sources.
- JoeAltmaier 7y agoYet empirically there are symptomatic individuals showing up all the time, with no evident vector. So asymptomatic folk are assumed to be contagious, and not just a little.