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>I understand why authors find arguments like mine upsetting. Their "pay a toll per copy" business model is obsolete. It's been obsolete for years. I am an aut

>I understand why authors find arguments like mine upsetting. Their "pay a toll per copy" business model is obsolete. It's been obsolete for years. I am an author in the UK. Revenue from digital book sales – i.e. what you would call "paying a toll for copying a file" and what I would call people buying books they want to read – went up 3% between 2018 and 2019. I'm not sure sales increasing is very good evidence for a business model having been "obsolete for years". Sure, there a lot of serious problems with the publishing industry, but if this is the "pain" I'm "prolonging" then I think I can endure it for a little bit longer.

falcolas 6y ago
Did your royalties, as an author, go up accordingly? Or was that money absorbed by the publishers? Publishers getting richer is not a sign that the system is working as intended.
- Zonulet 6y ago
  Right, but authors getting a shitty percentage from their publishers is a complaint that's literally as old as publishing itself, it has nothing to do with the model being "obsolete" because of the internet. If it was really that bad, we would all have defected to Amazon already, but we haven't because most of us hugely prefer our publishers to the alternative.
kethinov 6y ago
I'm glad the system is working for you, but it's not working for a whole lot of other authors. There are a lot of authors who are always complaining about "piracy ruining" their businesses and so forth while consumers meanwhile constantly complain about prices, DRM, etc. Clearly this is a problem that needs to be solved in a way that makes everybody feel like the interests of both sides are balanced.
- Zonulet 6y ago
  Every author who's published by a traditional publisher will agree with you that the system has problems, but I guarantee you won't find many who think the whole thing needs to be scrapped and turned into Spotify or OnlyFans or whatever you think the new model is going to look like. Otherwise you would already see a lot more established authors defecting! The truth is the current system, for all its faults, supports the production of a lot of wonderful work, and generally people want to get into it, not out of it.
  - kethinov 6y ago
    I think the biggest misconception here is in fact what I'm proposing doesn't actually change much. Legalizing noncommercial infringement is just affirming the reality we already live with. Millions of people are noncommercially infringing every day. To the extent that it undermines your business model, that undermining has been priced into your business model for decades because people who don't want to pay are already not paying. What I'm asking people to consider is new and innovative ways to bring those people who will never pay you into your business model instead of pretending they don't exist or publicly shaming them as pirates. Better to have the freeloaders watch your ads or something than to let the ad revenue go to pirate sites.
    - Zonulet 6y ago
      Once this change is made, won't somebody just start a website that looks exactly like the Amazon Kindle Store except everything is free to download, and it's legal? You don't think that will hurt our sales at all? I know people online think "Anyone who pays for a piece of media is essentially making a voluntary donation because they could so easily pirate it if they wanted", but that actually isn't true in the real world. Making it legal, convenient and non-shady to get stuff for free would change a lot of people's behaviour.
      - kethinov 6y ago
        Those sites already exist. They're often more convenient than getting media from the author. Paying for media is already a voluntary donation. I really don't think legalizing noncommercial infringement will change the status quo much except to even further incentivize copyright holders to modernize by making the need to do so even more obvious.

falcolas 6y ago

Did your royalties, as an author, go up accordingly? Or was that money absorbed by the publishers? Publishers getting richer is not a sign that the system is working as intended.

Zonulet 6y ago
Right, but authors getting a shitty percentage from their publishers is a complaint that's literally as old as publishing itself, it has nothing to do with the model being "obsolete" because of the internet. If it was really that bad, we would all have defected to Amazon already, but we haven't because most of us hugely prefer our publishers to the alternative.

kethinov 6y ago

I'm glad the system is working for you, but it's not working for a whole lot of other authors. There are a lot of authors who are always complaining about "piracy ruining" their businesses and so forth while consumers meanwhile constantly complain about prices, DRM, etc. Clearly this is a problem that needs to be solved in a way that makes everybody feel like the interests of both sides are balanced.

Zonulet 6y ago
Every author who's published by a traditional publisher will agree with you that the system has problems, but I guarantee you won't find many who think the whole thing needs to be scrapped and turned into Spotify or OnlyFans or whatever you think the new model is going to look like. Otherwise you would already see a lot more established authors defecting! The truth is the current system, for all its faults, supports the production of a lot of wonderful work, and generally people want to get into it, not out of it.
- kethinov 6y ago
  I think the biggest misconception here is in fact what I'm proposing doesn't actually change much. Legalizing noncommercial infringement is just affirming the reality we already live with. Millions of people are noncommercially infringing every day. To the extent that it undermines your business model, that undermining has been priced into your business model for decades because people who don't want to pay are already not paying. What I'm asking people to consider is new and innovative ways to bring those people who will never pay you into your business model instead of pretending they don't exist or publicly shaming them as pirates. Better to have the freeloaders watch your ads or something than to let the ad revenue go to pirate sites.
  - Zonulet 6y ago
    Once this change is made, won't somebody just start a website that looks exactly like the Amazon Kindle Store except everything is free to download, and it's legal? You don't think that will hurt our sales at all? I know people online think "Anyone who pays for a piece of media is essentially making a voluntary donation because they could so easily pirate it if they wanted", but that actually isn't true in the real world. Making it legal, convenient and non-shady to get stuff for free would change a lot of people's behaviour.
    - kethinov 6y ago
      Those sites already exist. They're often more convenient than getting media from the author. Paying for media is already a voluntary donation. I really don't think legalizing noncommercial infringement will change the status quo much except to even further incentivize copyright holders to modernize by making the need to do so even more obvious.