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55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the

55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the Republican leadership and most of the Democratic leadership. Before the recent blitz against it, polling was 70%[2]. [1] https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron... [2] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe...

trymas 7y ago
Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?
- sp332 7y ago
  Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
  - LarryDarrell 7y ago
    That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
- Chathamization 7y ago
  In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).
adrr 7y ago
80% like their healthcare. I think a significant part of that 55% doesn’t realize that Medicare for all takes away their health insurance. It seems when people get educated on Medicare for all, it declines in popularity. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...
- samfisher83 7y ago
  I am not sure how how people like their health care. It seems like every big company is moving toward High Deductible plan. Even Microsft has a high deductible plan. Even if you think you are covered there will be a doctors who you think is in network because you go to an in network hospital who really is out of network.
  - adrr 7y ago
    Unions negotiated great Cadillac plans for their members. I can’t believe MSFT doesn’t have a platinum plan with a $300 deductible, every tech company has great medical insurance benefits to be competitive in the employment market.
    - yellow_postit 7y ago
      HDHP and HSA are the same playbook as moving from defined benefit pensions to defined contribution 401k accounts. It’s a lot easier to reason about on the company balance sheet with the later at the cost of increased complexity and less safety for the employees. But they do love to spin the “triple tax benefits!!!!” (In the case of HSA) to try and convince people this is a great change. The old Microsoft Premera plan was stupendous as in you never thought about it, (nearly) everything was covered.
    - hirsin 7y ago
      Believe it. My deductible is 2500 of which Microsoft pays 1k. Lots of more senior folks bemoan the lack fo the Cadillac plan they used to get.
- 7y ago
eanzenberg 7y ago
Eh, the poll is "net support" of 55%, whatever that means. The Republican share is negative percentage points. It's a real shitty way to force a poll to tell the story you want it to tell.
- crznp 7y ago
  They linked the results [1] (starts on page 402). 30% "Strongly support" and 25% "Somewhat support" so the net support is 55%. And among Republicans, the net support is 31%, I don't know what you mean by 'negative percentage points'. [1] https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... (pdf)

trymas 7y ago

Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?

sp332 7y ago
Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
- LarryDarrell 7y ago
  That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
Chathamization 7y ago
In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).

adrr 7y ago

80% like their healthcare. I think a significant part of that 55% doesn’t realize that Medicare for all takes away their health insurance. It seems when people get educated on Medicare for all, it declines in popularity. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...

samfisher83 7y ago
I am not sure how how people like their health care. It seems like every big company is moving toward High Deductible plan. Even Microsft has a high deductible plan. Even if you think you are covered there will be a doctors who you think is in network because you go to an in network hospital who really is out of network.
- adrr 7y ago
  Unions negotiated great Cadillac plans for their members. I can’t believe MSFT doesn’t have a platinum plan with a $300 deductible, every tech company has great medical insurance benefits to be competitive in the employment market.
  - yellow_postit 7y ago
    HDHP and HSA are the same playbook as moving from defined benefit pensions to defined contribution 401k accounts. It’s a lot easier to reason about on the company balance sheet with the later at the cost of increased complexity and less safety for the employees. But they do love to spin the “triple tax benefits!!!!” (In the case of HSA) to try and convince people this is a great change. The old Microsoft Premera plan was stupendous as in you never thought about it, (nearly) everything was covered.
  - hirsin 7y ago
    Believe it. My deductible is 2500 of which Microsoft pays 1k. Lots of more senior folks bemoan the lack fo the Cadillac plan they used to get.
7y ago

eanzenberg 7y ago

Eh, the poll is "net support" of 55%, whatever that means. The Republican share is negative percentage points. It's a real shitty way to force a poll to tell the story you want it to tell.

crznp 7y ago
They linked the results [1] (starts on page 402). 30% "Strongly support" and 25% "Somewhat support" so the net support is 55%. And among Republicans, the net support is 31%, I don't know what you mean by 'negative percentage points'. [1] https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... (pdf)