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eh. Most Americans support a public option. M4A is down to about 26% support as of yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png

by faet 7y ago

ianleeclark 7y ago
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... All registered voters supported M4A with ~55% (see POL19) according to a recent poll. I'm not really sure what to do with a twitter image, but I'd be interested in seeing their numbers.
dwiel 7y ago
What is the source of that imgur meme? Here is an article with a link to the pdf which claims 55% of voters are in support of M4A https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron...
Chathamization 7y ago
55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the Republican leadership and most of the Democratic leadership. Before the recent blitz against it, polling was 70%[2]. [1] https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron... [2] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe...
- trymas 7y ago
  Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?
  - sp332 7y ago
    Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
    - LarryDarrell 7y ago
      That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
  - Chathamization 7y ago
    In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).
- adrr 7y ago
  80% like their healthcare. I think a significant part of that 55% doesn’t realize that Medicare for all takes away their health insurance. It seems when people get educated on Medicare for all, it declines in popularity. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...
  - samfisher83 7y ago
    I am not sure how how people like their health care. It seems like every big company is moving toward High Deductible plan. Even Microsft has a high deductible plan. Even if you think you are covered there will be a doctors who you think is in network because you go to an in network hospital who really is out of network.
    - adrr 7y ago
      Unions negotiated great Cadillac plans for their members. I can’t believe MSFT doesn’t have a platinum plan with a $300 deductible, every tech company has great medical insurance benefits to be competitive in the employment market.
      - yellow_postit 7y ago
        HDHP and HSA are the same playbook as moving from defined benefit pensions to defined contribution 401k accounts. It’s a lot easier to reason about on the company balance sheet with the later at the cost of increased complexity and less safety for the employees. But they do love to spin the “triple tax benefits!!!!” (In the case of HSA) to try and convince people this is a great change. The old Microsoft Premera plan was stupendous as in you never thought about it, (nearly) everything was covered.
      - hirsin 7y ago
        Believe it. My deductible is 2500 of which Microsoft pays 1k. Lots of more senior folks bemoan the lack fo the Cadillac plan they used to get.
  - 7y ago
- eanzenberg 7y ago
  Eh, the poll is "net support" of 55%, whatever that means. The Republican share is negative percentage points. It's a real shitty way to force a poll to tell the story you want it to tell.
  - crznp 7y ago
    They linked the results [1] (starts on page 402). 30% "Strongly support" and 25% "Somewhat support" so the net support is 55%. And among Republicans, the net support is 31%, I don't know what you mean by 'negative percentage points'. [1] https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... (pdf)
sp332 7y ago
...in Wisconsin. https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-school-poll-finds-strong-support-for-coronavirus-closings-even-as-it-shows-substantial-economic-impact/ https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-...
thazework 7y ago
Eh. That poll is just for Wisconsin. Nationally it's up to 55%
- rch 7y ago
  You're right, and Wisconsin alone isn't representative, but in our current political system a state by state breakdown would be more predictive of election outcomes than a national figure. Edit: looking into it further, I think the WI number is more interesting than I thought given the 2016 election result: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/wisconsin/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/...
Ididntdothis 7y ago
Maybe they should start doing polls about a medical system that’s very expensive, leaves a lot of people uninsured, sends random bills for procedures that never happened, can’t give estimates for procedures while still requiring the patient to pay for whatever they eventually decide to charge. Let’s see what the numbers will be then :)

eh. Most Americans support a public option. M4A is down to about 26% support as of yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png

by faet 7y ago

eh. Most Americans support a public option. M4A is down to about 26% support as of yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png

ianleeclark 7y ago

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... All registered voters supported M4A with ~55% (see POL19) according to a recent poll. I'm not really sure what to do with a twitter image, but I'd be interested in seeing their numbers.

dwiel 7y ago

What is the source of that imgur meme? Here is an article with a link to the pdf which claims 55% of voters are in support of M4A https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron...

Chathamization 7y ago

55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the Republican leadership and most of the Democratic leadership. Before the recent blitz against it, polling was 70%[2]. [1] https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron... [2] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe...

trymas 7y ago
Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?
- sp332 7y ago
  Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
  - LarryDarrell 7y ago
    That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
- Chathamization 7y ago
  In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).
adrr 7y ago
80% like their healthcare. I think a significant part of that 55% doesn’t realize that Medicare for all takes away their health insurance. It seems when people get educated on Medicare for all, it declines in popularity. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcar...
- samfisher83 7y ago
  I am not sure how how people like their health care. It seems like every big company is moving toward High Deductible plan. Even Microsft has a high deductible plan. Even if you think you are covered there will be a doctors who you think is in network because you go to an in network hospital who really is out of network.
  - adrr 7y ago
    Unions negotiated great Cadillac plans for their members. I can’t believe MSFT doesn’t have a platinum plan with a $300 deductible, every tech company has great medical insurance benefits to be competitive in the employment market.
    - yellow_postit 7y ago
      HDHP and HSA are the same playbook as moving from defined benefit pensions to defined contribution 401k accounts. It’s a lot easier to reason about on the company balance sheet with the later at the cost of increased complexity and less safety for the employees. But they do love to spin the “triple tax benefits!!!!” (In the case of HSA) to try and convince people this is a great change. The old Microsoft Premera plan was stupendous as in you never thought about it, (nearly) everything was covered.
    - hirsin 7y ago
      Believe it. My deductible is 2500 of which Microsoft pays 1k. Lots of more senior folks bemoan the lack fo the Cadillac plan they used to get.
- 7y ago
eanzenberg 7y ago
Eh, the poll is "net support" of 55%, whatever that means. The Republican share is negative percentage points. It's a real shitty way to force a poll to tell the story you want it to tell.
- crznp 7y ago
  They linked the results [1] (starts on page 402). 30% "Strongly support" and 25% "Somewhat support" so the net support is 55%. And among Republicans, the net support is 31%, I don't know what you mean by 'negative percentage points'. [1] https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... (pdf)

sp332 7y ago

...in Wisconsin. https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-school-poll-finds-strong-support-for-coronavirus-closings-even-as-it-shows-substantial-economic-impact/ https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-...

thazework 7y ago

Eh. That poll is just for Wisconsin. Nationally it's up to 55%

rch 7y ago
You're right, and Wisconsin alone isn't representative, but in our current political system a state by state breakdown would be more predictive of election outcomes than a national figure. Edit: looking into it further, I think the WI number is more interesting than I thought given the 2016 election result: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/wisconsin/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/...

Ididntdothis 7y ago

Maybe they should start doing polls about a medical system that’s very expensive, leaves a lot of people uninsured, sends random bills for procedures that never happened, can’t give estimates for procedures while still requiring the patient to pay for whatever they eventually decide to charge. Let’s see what the numbers will be then :)