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Already most Americans support Medicare for all – it’s our bought elected officials who don’t.

by ihm 7y ago

faet 7y ago
eh. Most Americans support a public option. M4A is down to about 26% support as of yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png
- ianleeclark 7y ago
  https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... All registered voters supported M4A with ~55% (see POL19) according to a recent poll. I'm not really sure what to do with a twitter image, but I'd be interested in seeing their numbers.
- dwiel 7y ago
  What is the source of that imgur meme? Here is an article with a link to the pdf which claims 55% of voters are in support of M4A https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron...
- Chathamization 7y ago
  55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the Republican leadership and most of the Democratic leadership. Before the recent blitz against it, polling was 70%[2]. [1] https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron... [2] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe...
  - trymas 7y ago
    Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?
    - sp332 7y ago
      Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
      - LarryDarrell 7y ago
        That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
    - Chathamization 7y ago
      In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).
- sp332 7y ago
  ...in Wisconsin. https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-school-poll-finds-strong-support-for-coronavirus-closings-even-as-it-shows-substantial-economic-impact/ https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-...
- thazework 7y ago
  Eh. That poll is just for Wisconsin. Nationally it's up to 55%
  - rch 7y ago
    You're right, and Wisconsin alone isn't representative, but in our current political system a state by state breakdown would be more predictive of election outcomes than a national figure. Edit: looking into it further, I think the WI number is more interesting than I thought given the 2016 election result: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/wisconsin/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/...
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  Maybe they should start doing polls about a medical system that’s very expensive, leaves a lot of people uninsured, sends random bills for procedures that never happened, can’t give estimates for procedures while still requiring the patient to pay for whatever they eventually decide to charge. Let’s see what the numbers will be then :)
AsyncAwait 7y ago
Seeing how they voted for Joe Biden who openly mocks the idea, as a non-American, I am very skeptical of how the support is manifesting.
- 1-more 7y ago
  The worst part is talking to people who think he supports it. The Dem primary about a year ago looked like the CPUSA primary; M4A was table stakes for every candidate. But nah, everyone had asterisks on what they actually meant by that.
- andrekandre 7y ago
  a lot of biden primary voters actually do like bernie and his policies (including m4a) but they are voting out of fear that bernie couldn’t win (among other reasons) [0] [0] https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/sanders-voters-electable-2020-1489146 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/sanders-voters-ele...
dominotw 7y ago
Biden is the candidate even of 'the righteous' . Highly doubt your statement.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Biden is primarily supported by voters over 65, who already qualify for Medicare and have no incentive to support a Medicare For All candidate. Good luck holding onto that voting cohort through an unmitigated pandemic. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-06/biden-older-voters-sanders-younger-voters-that-has-to-change https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-06/biden-older... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-rejected-biden-and-it-could-cost-him-the-nomination/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-re... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/1/20943879/iowa-poll-biden-warren-sanders-older-voter-2020 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/1/20943879/i... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/politics/joe-biden-young-voters-bernie-sanders.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/politics/joe-biden-you...
  - dominotw 7y ago
    What about African american and latino vote https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/04/black-voters-biden-sanders-latinos-120952 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/04/black-voters-biden-... "already have medicare" theory isn't the explanation.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Latinx are overwhelming swinging to Sanders (per your link), people of color swing Biden due to his riding on Obama's coat tails [1] (IMHO; he has no policies that benefit them with his "status quo" stance). If Biden runs, Trump wins reelection. Not enough voter support for Biden besides older voters and people of color, younger voters will sit out before voting for Biden in a general election. That's not my opinion, that's what the polling data shows. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/23/joe-biden-black-voters-support-south-carolina-102365 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/23/joe-biden-black-vot... (“In South Carolina we were taught to vote straight party. You see black people [on the ballot], you see Democrat, you vote straight party. You’re not used to seeing 10 damn candidates in the first place,” added Robinson. The menu of choices plays to Biden’s benefit because he’s a known commodity, Robinson said.)
lotsofpulp 7y ago
It doesn't matter what most Americans support, nor what "bought elected officials" support. It matters what most voters in swing states support.

Already most Americans support Medicare for all – it’s our bought elected officials who don’t.

by ihm 7y ago

Already most Americans support Medicare for all – it’s our bought elected officials who don’t.

faet 7y ago

eh. Most Americans support a public option. M4A is down to about 26% support as of yesterday. https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png https://i.imgur.com/H9bAwV9.png

ianleeclark 7y ago
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/2003101_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v1_AUTO.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/200310... All registered voters supported M4A with ~55% (see POL19) according to a recent poll. I'm not really sure what to do with a twitter image, but I'd be interested in seeing their numbers.
dwiel 7y ago
What is the source of that imgur meme? Here is an article with a link to the pdf which claims 55% of voters are in support of M4A https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron...
Chathamization 7y ago
55% in the latest Morning Consult poll[1]. And this is after a heavy push from the healthcare industry against it, as well as strong opposition from all of the Republican leadership and most of the Democratic leadership. Before the recent blitz against it, polling was 70%[2]. [1] https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coronavirus-pandemic/ https://morningconsult.com/2020/04/01/medicare-for-all-coron... [2] https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/403248-poll-seventy-pe...
- trymas 7y ago
  Why republicans hate universal healthcare so much, even when facing unprecedented pandemic?
  - sp332 7y ago
    Have you seen the federal government lately? It's totally understandable not to want that to be in charge of your healthcare.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      "Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all." [1] [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-hea...
    - LarryDarrell 7y ago
      That's an argument for improving the federal government, not accepting the status quo as the natural order of the universe.
  - Chathamization 7y ago
    In the 2018 poll the majority of Republicans (52%) actually supported it. There's just been a lot of effort pushing against it by most of the leadership in America (the media, the Republican party, most of the Democratic party leadership). The media plays a big role in this - they often only focus on the cost of one particular implementation of single-payer, and not on the 10's of thousands who die each year due to lack of insurance. There's no mention that the U.S. government is currently spending more on health insurance than the U.K. government spends on its single-payer system (and the total government and private spending in the U.S. is much, much higher). And even though Democrat voters support this the most, the majority of Democratic Presidential candidates this year were opposed to single-payer and pushed some attacks on it that were mostly false (arguing that it removes choice). And a lot of polls on it will mention things many Americans view as negative (a single government run system) and not mention ones that they would view as positive (no out of network doctors, never being uninsured, never switching insurance, no medical billing issues, no healthcare bankruptcies, lower healthcare expenditures, etc.).
sp332 7y ago
...in Wisconsin. https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-school-poll-finds-strong-support-for-coronavirus-closings-even-as-it-shows-substantial-economic-impact/ https://law.marquette.edu/poll/2020/04/01/new-marquette-law-...
thazework 7y ago
Eh. That poll is just for Wisconsin. Nationally it's up to 55%
- rch 7y ago
  You're right, and Wisconsin alone isn't representative, but in our current political system a state by state breakdown would be more predictive of election outcomes than a national figure. Edit: looking into it further, I think the WI number is more interesting than I thought given the 2016 election result: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/wisconsin/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/...
Ididntdothis 7y ago
Maybe they should start doing polls about a medical system that’s very expensive, leaves a lot of people uninsured, sends random bills for procedures that never happened, can’t give estimates for procedures while still requiring the patient to pay for whatever they eventually decide to charge. Let’s see what the numbers will be then :)

AsyncAwait 7y ago

Seeing how they voted for Joe Biden who openly mocks the idea, as a non-American, I am very skeptical of how the support is manifesting.

1-more 7y ago
The worst part is talking to people who think he supports it. The Dem primary about a year ago looked like the CPUSA primary; M4A was table stakes for every candidate. But nah, everyone had asterisks on what they actually meant by that.
andrekandre 7y ago
a lot of biden primary voters actually do like bernie and his policies (including m4a) but they are voting out of fear that bernie couldn’t win (among other reasons) [0] [0] https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/sanders-voters-electable-2020-1489146 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/sanders-voters-ele...

dominotw 7y ago

Biden is the candidate even of 'the righteous' . Highly doubt your statement.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Biden is primarily supported by voters over 65, who already qualify for Medicare and have no incentive to support a Medicare For All candidate. Good luck holding onto that voting cohort through an unmitigated pandemic. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-06/biden-older-voters-sanders-younger-voters-that-has-to-change https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-06/biden-older... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-rejected-biden-and-it-could-cost-him-the-nomination/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-re... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/1/20943879/iowa-poll-biden-warren-sanders-older-voter-2020 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/1/20943879/i... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/politics/joe-biden-young-voters-bernie-sanders.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/politics/joe-biden-you...
- dominotw 7y ago
  What about African american and latino vote https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/04/black-voters-biden-sanders-latinos-120952 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/04/black-voters-biden-... "already have medicare" theory isn't the explanation.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Latinx are overwhelming swinging to Sanders (per your link), people of color swing Biden due to his riding on Obama's coat tails [1] (IMHO; he has no policies that benefit them with his "status quo" stance). If Biden runs, Trump wins reelection. Not enough voter support for Biden besides older voters and people of color, younger voters will sit out before voting for Biden in a general election. That's not my opinion, that's what the polling data shows. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/23/joe-biden-black-voters-support-south-carolina-102365 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/23/joe-biden-black-vot... (“In South Carolina we were taught to vote straight party. You see black people [on the ballot], you see Democrat, you vote straight party. You’re not used to seeing 10 damn candidates in the first place,” added Robinson. The menu of choices plays to Biden’s benefit because he’s a known commodity, Robinson said.)

lotsofpulp 7y ago

It doesn't matter what most Americans support, nor what "bought elected officials" support. It matters what most voters in swing states support.