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Had a meeting tonight with over 50 participants. Screen sharing. Not a single hitch or problem. In the past tried multiple times with Hangouts (dies after you

by dig1 7y ago

Had a meeting tonight with over 50 participants. Screen sharing. Not a single hitch or problem. In the past tried multiple times with Hangouts (dies after you get more than 4 on board), jitsi meet (not good with bad connections), Slack (good luck with video), Hipchat (video doesn't work for more than 3 participants) and Skype (connection drops). On one of my previous gigs, we ditched everything and took Mumble + google docs for showcase. Before Zoom, Skype was good enough, until they messed it up. My presumption is that all of these tools are developed in perfect environment: ideal network, minimal latency, close peers, single OS. As soon as you start to drift from those presumptions, complete breakdown happens.

bob33212 7y ago
In the real world you cannot have everything. Fast, cheap, reliable, scalable, secure, easy to use, os agnostic. Pick several or be disappointed about the theoretical perfect company that should exist and provide all.
- theamk 7y ago
  Zoom is pretty much it, isn't it? (unless you require cheap == free) It did have some security issues, but they patched them eventually. It is not resistant to government/owner monitoring (and this is a separate thing from "secure"), but even if they did add true E2E, they'd still be a proprietary software often running on proprietary OS.
- lordlimecat 7y ago
  We're not talking about secure, we're talking about "not insing unsecured REST APIs on client machines that can't be removed". Zoom isn't on the secure radar at all. They're fighting to not actively compromise your computers security.
nilkn 7y ago
BlueJeans works fine with 100+ participants in my experience.
mullingitover 7y ago
Hangouts data point(s): I was just on a conference call a few hours ago with 90+ participants on Hangouts. We've done these numbers routinely at work and we've never had a problem with it. I dislike and don't trust videoconferencing apps that can't run in the browser, and Zoom goes the extra mile by requiring you to use their sketchy package installer. I'm really enjoying the scrutiny they're getting right now. They should just run in the browser without requiring installation.
- notwhereyouare 7y ago
  Somebody linked a browser extension that would bypass the installer prompt and let you join the meeting in your browser. Apparently If you tell them no a couple times, they let you join in browser

by dig1 7y ago

bob33212 7y ago

In the real world you cannot have everything. Fast, cheap, reliable, scalable, secure, easy to use, os agnostic. Pick several or be disappointed about the theoretical perfect company that should exist and provide all.

theamk 7y ago
Zoom is pretty much it, isn't it? (unless you require cheap == free) It did have some security issues, but they patched them eventually. It is not resistant to government/owner monitoring (and this is a separate thing from "secure"), but even if they did add true E2E, they'd still be a proprietary software often running on proprietary OS.
lordlimecat 7y ago
We're not talking about secure, we're talking about "not insing unsecured REST APIs on client machines that can't be removed". Zoom isn't on the secure radar at all. They're fighting to not actively compromise your computers security.

nilkn 7y ago

BlueJeans works fine with 100+ participants in my experience.

mullingitover 7y ago

Hangouts data point(s): I was just on a conference call a few hours ago with 90+ participants on Hangouts. We've done these numbers routinely at work and we've never had a problem with it. I dislike and don't trust videoconferencing apps that can't run in the browser, and Zoom goes the extra mile by requiring you to use their sketchy package installer. I'm really enjoying the scrutiny they're getting right now. They should just run in the browser without requiring installation.

notwhereyouare 7y ago
Somebody linked a browser extension that would bypass the installer prompt and let you join the meeting in your browser. Apparently If you tell them no a couple times, they let you join in browser