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I think personal integrity matters. Lying to a doctor to get an insurance company to pay for drugs that make you appear to be smarter is an issue in my book. If

by Duff 16y ago

I think personal integrity matters. Lying to a doctor to get an insurance company to pay for drugs that make you appear to be smarter is an issue in my book. If I did it, I don't think I would sleep well at night. I also want to agree with you that an adult should be able to just go buy some amphetamine... it's an argument that makes sense to me at a high level. The problem is, the devil is in the details. Do you want to be a passenger on a bus or a plane when the operator has been working for 14 hours hopped up on speed?

cowpewter 16y ago
I don't think I'd want to be a passenger on a bus or plane where the operator has been operating for 14 hours straight, speed or not. Don't pilots nap on long international flights? That's why you have a co-pilot.
- Duff 16y ago
  US military pilots in wartime are expected to operate for longer than 12 hours at a time, supported by speed pills. If it were legal for truck or bus drivers to do so, companies would compel them to as well.
sofuture 16y ago
I would have few qualms not abiding by the arbitrary and invasive framework of rules the insurance company, drug company and health care industry have erected around my self, my body and my choices. That said, I don't advocate scamming, stealing or lying (in fact, it's probably easier and cheaper to illegally self-medicate via the internet). That's a false choice -- I wouldn't want to be a passenger on a bus or a plane when the operator has been working for 14 hours hopped up on nothing (though, gun-to-head I'll take the hopped-up-on-speed pilot/driver over the one dozing off).
true_religion 16y ago
I think your quibble here is with lying to the insurance company about your condition to get them to pay for the performance enhancing drug. The lie to the doctor is necessary in many instances (not many will just prescribe you Adderal for the sake of performance), but the lie to the company can be seen as abusive since it is someone's undeserved loss (the companies) for your gain. Buying the medicine full priced would be morally clearer, correct?
- Duff 16y ago
  Buying the medicine in the open market adds some moral clarity. You are left with whether performance enhancing drugs are ok or not, which is an ambiguous issue. I don't think that coffee should be equated with Adderal, but I am not sure where the line is.

by Duff 16y ago

cowpewter 16y ago

I don't think I'd want to be a passenger on a bus or plane where the operator has been operating for 14 hours straight, speed or not. Don't pilots nap on long international flights? That's why you have a co-pilot.

Duff 16y ago
US military pilots in wartime are expected to operate for longer than 12 hours at a time, supported by speed pills. If it were legal for truck or bus drivers to do so, companies would compel them to as well.

sofuture 16y ago

I would have few qualms not abiding by the arbitrary and invasive framework of rules the insurance company, drug company and health care industry have erected around my self, my body and my choices. That said, I don't advocate scamming, stealing or lying (in fact, it's probably easier and cheaper to illegally self-medicate via the internet). That's a false choice -- I wouldn't want to be a passenger on a bus or a plane when the operator has been working for 14 hours hopped up on nothing (though, gun-to-head I'll take the hopped-up-on-speed pilot/driver over the one dozing off).

true_religion 16y ago

I think your quibble here is with lying to the insurance company about your condition to get them to pay for the performance enhancing drug. The lie to the doctor is necessary in many instances (not many will just prescribe you Adderal for the sake of performance), but the lie to the company can be seen as abusive since it is someone's undeserved loss (the companies) for your gain. Buying the medicine full priced would be morally clearer, correct?

Duff 16y ago
Buying the medicine in the open market adds some moral clarity. You are left with whether performance enhancing drugs are ok or not, which is an ambiguous issue. I don't think that coffee should be equated with Adderal, but I am not sure where the line is.