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I don't see how it's easier or better for the user. It's not a very nice dual booting UI, like a menu with a timeout. And no way to set passwords on certain it

I don't see how it's easier or better for the user. It's not a very nice dual booting UI, like a menu with a timeout. And no way to set passwords on certain items or enter kernel boot parameters.

parston_michel 7y ago
>how it's easier or better for the user It really depends who "the user" is. It's faster, and accidentally hitting a hotkey for grub or whatever on boot is just one more problem. These are both material advantages, for a certain cohort. "the user" varies from highly technical people like you or i to low income people with laptops wiped to install ubuntu by foundations that can't afford windows licenses. And, if I'm dual booting, I'm probably confident enough to configure UEFI to support dual booting.
- ghostpepper 7y ago
  > And, if I'm dual booting, I'm probably confident enough to configure UEFI to support dual booting. This doesn't really fit with the oft-repeated advice to windows user looking to try out linux that you can start with a dual boot.
  - parston_michel 7y ago
    AFAIK, the recommended way to do it now is to use a live usb/cd.
noodlesUK 7y ago
It has one extremely big advantage: secure boot. It’s an easy and nice thing to set up when it’s all just one EFI executable.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  directly booting an ever changing kernel (due to security updates etc) is way more annoying in secure boot terms than a relatively static bootloader
- yrro 7y ago
  Is there a way to sign & verify initramfs images yet?
  - dTal 7y ago
    Do you even need an initramfs image at all?
    - yrro 7y ago
      How else can I unlock my encrypted disk partitions?
      - akvadrako 7y ago
        I have not tried it but the dm-mod.create kernel parameter should help: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8439822.html?sid=b07b8102ca69755ed1b4c3dbe2a7b0e7 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8439822.html?sid=b07b8...

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I don't see how it's easier or better for the user. It's not a very nice dual booting UI, like a menu with a timeout. And no way to set passwords on certain it

by akvadrako 7y ago

I don't see how it's easier or better for the user. It's not a very nice dual booting UI, like a menu with a timeout. And no way to set passwords on certain items or enter kernel boot parameters.

parston_michel 7y ago
>how it's easier or better for the user It really depends who "the user" is. It's faster, and accidentally hitting a hotkey for grub or whatever on boot is just one more problem. These are both material advantages, for a certain cohort. "the user" varies from highly technical people like you or i to low income people with laptops wiped to install ubuntu by foundations that can't afford windows licenses. And, if I'm dual booting, I'm probably confident enough to configure UEFI to support dual booting.
- ghostpepper 7y ago
  > And, if I'm dual booting, I'm probably confident enough to configure UEFI to support dual booting. This doesn't really fit with the oft-repeated advice to windows user looking to try out linux that you can start with a dual boot.
  - parston_michel 7y ago
    AFAIK, the recommended way to do it now is to use a live usb/cd.
noodlesUK 7y ago
It has one extremely big advantage: secure boot. It’s an easy and nice thing to set up when it’s all just one EFI executable.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  directly booting an ever changing kernel (due to security updates etc) is way more annoying in secure boot terms than a relatively static bootloader
- yrro 7y ago
  Is there a way to sign & verify initramfs images yet?
  - dTal 7y ago
    Do you even need an initramfs image at all?
    - yrro 7y ago
      How else can I unlock my encrypted disk partitions?
      - akvadrako 7y ago
        I have not tried it but the dm-mod.create kernel parameter should help: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8439822.html?sid=b07b8102ca69755ed1b4c3dbe2a7b0e7 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8439822.html?sid=b07b8...