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Whoever is orchestrating this hitjob against zoom, is doing a bad job of it. Most people are going to ignore articles like this. After a certain amount of stor

Whoever is orchestrating this hitjob against zoom, is doing a bad job of it. Most people are going to ignore articles like this. After a certain amount of stories, outrage fatigue sets in and people start to see it as a hit piece and dismiss it, no matter how bad it really is.

dumbfoundded 7y ago
No one forced Zoom to do any of the shady things they're doing. The idea of it being a "hitjob" feels silly given all of the article's claims have evidence. It's simply what you get for going in the spotlight. That being said, I do feel the tech industry gets more than it's fair share of criticism. Maybe it's just we've become complacent with the ways that other industries abuse their customers.
- nicehat 7y ago
  >That being said, I do feel the tech industry gets more than it's fair share of criticism. I don't. Afaik the tech inustry is still creating and selling spying and tracking software, enabling unprecedented and unaccountable global surveillance, while being appallingly quiet over the torture and illegal detention of critical whistleblowers. From hacking people's brains with big data and advertising to corporate espionage, the enabling of massive wealth transfer to billionaires, and the exploitation of resources and the third world, I have very little sympathy for the mean things people are saying about ye. These aren't isolated mistakes, and actions to correct them have still not been taken. Gates is lionized for his charity work after decades of bullying and strangling competition, while Stallman is forced out of his positions because of a smear campaign. The FCC killed net neutrality with fake data - what did ye do? And now people who I wouldn't trust with an abacus are coming after encryption - and I'm hearing barely a peep from the technosphere. The tech industry needs more criticism, cuz it sure as fuck isn't getting it's shit together voluntarily.
- Animats 7y ago
  No one forced Zoom to do any of the shady things they're doing. I wonder how much Facebook is paying Zoom to snoop on Zoom's customers.
vsareto 7y ago
Zoom isn't making it difficult to do hit pieces, if this is one
eagsalazar2 7y ago
Whoa, dismissing an entire community's POV and concern as manufactured outrage without making any logical case yourself... is a hit job. If you feel like zoom privacy concerns are overblown you need to explain, not just blow it off.
dang 7y ago
I don't think it's a hit job. It's a side effect of the covid crisis, which is itself an instance of the 'major ongoing story' dynamic on internet forums: black hole story attracting all mass. More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116. In fact, the wave of objections ('why is X taking over HN') is a manifestation of the same dynamic; it's just the second-order version of it. When those get repeated enough, we'll start to hear 'why are complaints about X taking over HN taking over HN'. At that point the dynamic probably does a meltdown into something else. (I'm not making fun of you or anyone. All these responses are genuine and make sense on an individual level. But the larger patterns are also predictable.)
- pattisapu 7y ago
  "black hole story attracting all mass" Very well put!
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dumbfoundded 7y ago

No one forced Zoom to do any of the shady things they're doing. The idea of it being a "hitjob" feels silly given all of the article's claims have evidence. It's simply what you get for going in the spotlight. That being said, I do feel the tech industry gets more than it's fair share of criticism. Maybe it's just we've become complacent with the ways that other industries abuse their customers.

nicehat 7y ago
>That being said, I do feel the tech industry gets more than it's fair share of criticism. I don't. Afaik the tech inustry is still creating and selling spying and tracking software, enabling unprecedented and unaccountable global surveillance, while being appallingly quiet over the torture and illegal detention of critical whistleblowers. From hacking people's brains with big data and advertising to corporate espionage, the enabling of massive wealth transfer to billionaires, and the exploitation of resources and the third world, I have very little sympathy for the mean things people are saying about ye. These aren't isolated mistakes, and actions to correct them have still not been taken. Gates is lionized for his charity work after decades of bullying and strangling competition, while Stallman is forced out of his positions because of a smear campaign. The FCC killed net neutrality with fake data - what did ye do? And now people who I wouldn't trust with an abacus are coming after encryption - and I'm hearing barely a peep from the technosphere. The tech industry needs more criticism, cuz it sure as fuck isn't getting it's shit together voluntarily.
Animats 7y ago
No one forced Zoom to do any of the shady things they're doing. I wonder how much Facebook is paying Zoom to snoop on Zoom's customers.

vsareto 7y ago

Zoom isn't making it difficult to do hit pieces, if this is one

eagsalazar2 7y ago

Whoa, dismissing an entire community's POV and concern as manufactured outrage without making any logical case yourself... is a hit job. If you feel like zoom privacy concerns are overblown you need to explain, not just blow it off.

dang 7y ago

I don't think it's a hit job. It's a side effect of the covid crisis, which is itself an instance of the 'major ongoing story' dynamic on internet forums: black hole story attracting all mass. More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116. In fact, the wave of objections ('why is X taking over HN') is a manifestation of the same dynamic; it's just the second-order version of it. When those get repeated enough, we'll start to hear 'why are complaints about X taking over HN taking over HN'. At that point the dynamic probably does a meltdown into something else. (I'm not making fun of you or anyone. All these responses are genuine and make sense on an individual level. But the larger patterns are also predictable.)

pattisapu 7y ago
"black hole story attracting all mass" Very well put!
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