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Florida, only state w/5000+ cases that has not to issued 'stay-at-home'
- toomuchtodo 7y agoFlorida "stay at home" order was issued today [1]. NY Times is also tracking states with and without stay at home orders [2]. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-governor-issues-stay-home-order-after-weeks-resistance-n1174146 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-gover... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay...
- davidu 7y agoChurch / Religious gatherings are exempted, which is, insane. In SF, I think all religious services have moved to Zoom-style video format with very positive feedback from what I am hearing.
- sschueller 7y agoWorst are the bowls of holy water which everyone touches.
- Spooky23 7y agoMy church in NY did this starting 3/15. If the Catholic church is ahead of the curve, you know you're behind!
- anoonmoose 7y agoHoly crap, I had to look this up because I didn't believe it. "Religious services" are actually the first defined type of "essential activities"...and Texas' governor just did the same. Wow, this is incredibly foolish.
- tropo 7y agoAny stay-at-home order which stopped religious services would be found in violation of the US Constitution's first amendment. It's possible a judge would throw out the whole stay-at-home order. To have a stay-at-home order that survives in court, exempting religious services is necessary.
- Gibbon1 7y agoCan't shout fire in a crowded theater. And no particular religion is being singled out.
- anoonmoose 7y agoI am just not certain that this is true. The 1A also protects protests- am I allowed to organize gatherings of 10+ people for the purpose of a protest? I believe not. The 1A is comprehensive; it is not all-powerful.
- r00fus 7y agoThat is essentially not a stay-at-home order.
- tialaramex 7y agoThe major religions didn't survive thousands of years by being inflexible in the face of reality. What you'll see over and over in a long-term successful religion is basically "Well, obviously The Crazy Stuff We Believe is true, but we do need to be pragmatic and not necessarily act as though it's true". The type of preacher who stands by their belief that God will protect them from being shot in the head gets to find out the hard way that bullets don't give a shit what you believe and so their sect won't survive to dominate. That's how you get the situation where the Pope, who is the head of a Christian sect (Roman Catholics) who very specifically believe that you need priests as intermediaries to God, tells his fellow believers no, don't meet in a church with a priest where you will get yourselves infected and die, stay home - instead pray directly to God, he's everywhere, so that will work even though our religion says otherwise. But the US in particular is home to a lot of hucksters for whom religion is a way to separate the gullible from their wealth. For them the fact that a bunch of those worshippers may die, rather than being destitute, isn't a deal breaker - but going without tax-free "donations" for a few months isn't what they want, so you can be sure they'll want people to keep showing up and giving every penny they can.
- tfandango 7y agoWe (Oklahoma) do not have a state-wide order. I'm not sure why not because most of our larger cities do. I guess they have to do what they have to do, but seems like city-wide orders would be less effective since you can't bar people from surrounding small towns.
- Retric 7y agoIt’s less needed in towns. The amount of contact between people increases in cities, which makes a huge difference in viral load and how quickly pandemic’s spread. This is why NYC has 1/4th of all US cases even with an early stay at home order.
- IvyMike 7y agoI guess we needed a control group.
- h3ll0k4ll3 7y agoYou have sweden for that.
- stateofnounion 7y agoYes, they have: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/01/florida-gov-ron-desantis-issues-statewide-stay-at-home-order/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/01/florida-gov-...
- Retric 7y agoYou can even just quote the linked article: UPDATE: Apr. 1, 1:50 p.m. EST — Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced on Wednesday afternoon that he would sign an executive order mandating residents to stay at home for 30 days. The order will say that residents may only go out for essential activities.
- stateofnounion 7y agoThat update was posted after I posted my comment, hence the link. Kind of hard to quote something that doesn't exist yet. Thanks for the incredibly helpful post though.
- JohnTHaller 7y agoHe finally issued it today but it doesn't take effect until Friday morning. Exponential growth in Florida is already well under way, though. 'The previous guidance from the White House regarding an easing back into normal life by Easter “isn’t going to happen,” DeSantis said.' Of course it isn't. It was a lie.
- doggodad 7y agoTwo days more of PeopleOfWalmart-worthy fashion-meets-shopping experiences. Florida Wo/Man will continue providing global entertainment for the duration as an "essential service."
- KyleBrandt 7y agoThe actual stay-at-home order issued today and other FL executive orders (pdf) can be found at https://www.flgov.com/2020-executive-orders/ https://www.flgov.com/2020-executive-orders/ . #91 (https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91.pdf https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-9...) is the stay-at-home order, and #89 (https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-89.pdf https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-8...) has more details of what is "essential" and not in this context.
- pbh101 7y agoInterestingly, the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation [1] out of UW is still predicting Florida will not run out of hospital beds, unlike many other states. I don't know what to do with this data, but I was surprised given the concern in the media for the state due to the older population and lack of stay-at-home order until now. [1] https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
- BobbyJo 7y agoFlorida has tons of hospital capacity.
- r00fus 7y agoI'd be surprised if linear growth models can magically support exponential growth usage without a lot of suffering.
- toomuchtodo 7y agoFlorida has 5k ICU beds and 5 million Floridians over 65. They do not have enough hospital capacity for this event. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241464406.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article24146440...
- DanBC 7y agoCovid-19 kills some people quite quickly, and it hospitalises some people for a long time. Florida has more of the first group and fewer of the second group.
- nv-vn 7y agoThe data is definitely not update, in my state it looks like the data being shown is a few weeks old and the stay at home order isn't displayed either.
- lakis 7y agoAnd now (a day later) the projection is that Florida will be short by 917 ICU beds. And this will keep changing. As they say in http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates "Our model’s increase in nationwide deaths since the March 31 release is primarily driven by increasing death tolls in states that previously had very few COVID-19 deaths. States with more COVID-19 deaths, such as New York and Washington, show far less fluctuation across daily updates." Basically, in states with little testing and if they are in the start of the cycle, the data is very unreliable. See their update for Alabama. In a single day, with newer data, the death projection went up by 540% "Notably, fitting on new data released on March 31, the cumulative COVID-19 death estimates for Alabama increased to 7,334 (1,130 to 17,040), an estimate that is 6,161 deaths higher than previous estimates."
- fxj 7y agoFlorida has a population with 20% over 65, compare that to New York with 14% in the same age group. This group is most vulnerable to the virus.