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While this is all very interesting, there's a pretty deeply embedded bias on display here. "authoritarian governance is defined by highly concentrated power st
by jariel 7y ago
While this is all very interesting, there's a pretty deeply embedded bias on display here.
"authoritarian governance is defined by highly concentrated power structures that repress dissent and emphasize submission to authority, social conformity, and hostility towards outgroups"
... is a very problematic way of articulating this - to the point of promoting ignorance, because it's frankly how someone with a Liberal Democratic mindset would describe the system, but not others. I would argue that it's not objective because it may not capture the essence of such systems, rather, it just highlights the 'downsides' as seen from the other side.
Others might describe systems as possibly more collective or communitarian wherein legitimate central authorities have considerably better ability to manage affairs, particularly wherein such controls can have a material effect, i.e. 'pandemic', 'war' and maybe even things like infrastructure or other national challenges.
What people in 'liberal democracy' might see as 'individual choice', others might see as 'selfish, self-interested' possibly 'greedy' behaviour, actions that show little regard for others, only the self. The natural result of such behaviours might be 'inability to respond in a coherent manner to collective problems'.
Of course, where there is centralised power, there's an opportunity for it to be corrupt wherein you might have arbitrary and bad acting here and there, but I don't think to describe a system by its downsides is right.
This is especially important because the correlation may not be with authoritarianism as described, but possibly with group unity, collectivism or something else.
Edit: I should add, systems with strong 'central control' that some might describe as 'authoritarian' like Singapore, South Korea etc., have tamed and controlled Coronavirus and have exemplary responses. Their economies are not collapsing, they are in school, they are not dying en masse.
Meanwhile, 'Liberal Democracies' economies are collapsing, facing massive casualties, dying in hordes.
Imagine how stupid we must look to them? They literally showed us 'how to do it' but we're either too self-focused or possibly 'don't understand' how they are organized.
- ccleve 7y agoI think it's beyond reasonable dispute that freedom and democracy work better than authoritarianism on pretty much every dimension. If there's one thing that both right and left agree on, it's this.
- jariel 7y agoWow - not only is this completely false, but it's also definitely not an idea that has popular consensus. It's easily proven: Singapore, South Korea - considerably 'more authoritarian' have successfully contained Coronavirus. America, UK, France - being devastated by Coronavirus. The intellectual arrogance is staggering. Literally, right in front of your eyes, you can see the central leadership of these places on full display - early, coordinated action, somewhat less concern for rights (S. Korean authorities using CCTV, GPS to track behaviour to find who you might have infected etc.), a fairly communitarian attitude by participants, and they've corralled and in a way somewhat effectively isolated coronavirus. They already wear masks on subways - an example of their collective, conscientious behaviour. The outcome - is that they have vastly lower rates of infection and death and a functional economy. Meanwhile, in the US, we have a lack of coordination, name-calling and arguing on the news, inability to marshall privatized resources, and we're about to face mass death. It's definitely a striking example of how the systems are performing very differently.
- MikeAmelung 7y agoIt's a good thing there is no history before the coronavirus. Not to mention, the most authoritarian large country, China, is responsible for this whole thing.
- jariel 7y ago"It's a good thing there is no history before the coronavirus." There's plenty of history and plenty of examples. "China is responsible for this whole thing" This is actually pretty racist. More importantly, China's 'authoritarianism' has nothing to do with the origin of the outbreak.
- jshevek 7y ago>"China is responsible for this whole thing" This is actually pretty racist China is in fact responsible for the global pandemic. How is this racist?