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As a citizen of EU member, I don't agree at all. It's good that each member can fine-tune details to their specific situation. Italy/Spain/France are fucked an

by mantas 7y ago

As a citizen of EU member, I don't agree at all. It's good that each member can fine-tune details to their specific situation. Italy/Spain/France are fucked and they do need super strict measures. Meanwhile in my country we have relatively few cases. Most of them are imported and good chunk of local cases are medicine personnel. Right now we're far from full lock-down as seen in most unfortunate places. Many businesses that don't have customers on premises are operating more or less as usual. Sports outside are still allowed. Right now amount of daily cases is not growing. Significant part of them are people coming home from more affected countries. Medical system is far from overrun. Given that the country is relatively sparse and social norms are rather distant, we're looking forward to having fewer and fewer new cases. If all goes well, some restrictions will be lightened up in mid-April. E.g. outdoors cafes may be allowed to open up given that distance between visitors will be enforced. Next, non-essential shops may be allowed to open up for visitors with masks etc. It will probably take a long time to allow mass events though. But that's relatively small part of economy. Why should we stay in lockdown if all is good locally, but Italy, Spain or Sweden still have ongoing crisis? We'll obviously keep our borders closed till our neighbours clean up their acts. Solidarity is having life going on as much as safely possible and making stuff for affected allies. Not staying in lockdown side-by-side.

bad_user 7y ago
Because everyone else is only 20 days or so behind Italy. As WHO experts say from their experience with Ebola and others, it's better to act early. I see a lot of disbelief on this site too, it appears that exponential growth can fool even us. Only 2 weeks ago I noticed people here saying that Trump must be doing something right in the US because the country hasn't gone to hell. I replied with "give it another week or two". And now the situation in New York is dire and everyone else is following, with the US poised to be the next epicenter. What country are you from btw? Are you sure the population is properly tested? Given the lack of tests or expertise on the market I kind of doubt it. This virus is dangerous because 75% or more of the infected population is close to asymptomatic, yet highly contagious. You might be having a lot more cases among you than you realize.
- mantas 7y ago
  > Because everyone else is only 20 days or so behind Italy. No. Over here we have flat growth. Amount of new cases is not growing at all. In fact last 5 days day-to-day amount was lower than record day. Meanwhile amount of tests done is growing. > As WHO experts say from their experience with Ebola and others, it's better to act early. Yes. And we did act early. Our situation 3 weeks ago weren't as bad as Italy or Spain, thus we didn't as harsh measures. It looks like it worked. > I see a lot of disbelief on this site too, it appears that exponential growth can fool even us. It's not exponential everywhere. > What country are you from btw? Lithuania Best statistics we got bellow. Top-right is cases (overall vs daily), bottom-right is testing (overall vs daily). https://vu-lt.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/e27574647d6f41ddaf7ed28a7587f6b5 https://vu-lt.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/... > Are you sure the population is properly tested? Given the lack of tests or expertise on the market I kind of doubt it. What is "properly tested"? Testing everybody? No. Testing suspects? Yes. We're also testing everybody coming from abroad (EU or not) for over a week. Before that, it was self-isolation + testing on symptoms since late february. Big chunk of new cases comes from that. > This virus is dangerous because 75% or more of the infected population is close to asymptomatic, yet highly contagious. You might be having a lot more cases among you than you realize. We definitely have much more asymptomatic cases. But amount of new symptomatic cases is not growing. Either it's only spreading asymptomatic (which is unlikely), or spreading is slowing down. We're now in our 3rd week of quarantine (social distancing + restaurants and non-essential shops closed). Had it not worked, we should already see a spike of symptomatic cases.
  - bad_user 7y ago
    I hope you'll be OK, however I'm not holding my breath. I'm from Romania and we were at 500 cases and a doubling time of roughly 6 days only a week ago or so. Our cases were also imported, via emigrants returning home. Confirmed cases have exploded since then due to a couple of community hotspots and we're well on track to join the west. So good luck to you, I hope we'll all come out of this well.
    - mantas 7y ago

by mantas 7y ago

bad_user 7y ago

Because everyone else is only 20 days or so behind Italy. As WHO experts say from their experience with Ebola and others, it's better to act early. I see a lot of disbelief on this site too, it appears that exponential growth can fool even us. Only 2 weeks ago I noticed people here saying that Trump must be doing something right in the US because the country hasn't gone to hell. I replied with "give it another week or two". And now the situation in New York is dire and everyone else is following, with the US poised to be the next epicenter. What country are you from btw? Are you sure the population is properly tested? Given the lack of tests or expertise on the market I kind of doubt it. This virus is dangerous because 75% or more of the infected population is close to asymptomatic, yet highly contagious. You might be having a lot more cases among you than you realize.

mantas 7y ago
> Because everyone else is only 20 days or so behind Italy. No. Over here we have flat growth. Amount of new cases is not growing at all. In fact last 5 days day-to-day amount was lower than record day. Meanwhile amount of tests done is growing. > As WHO experts say from their experience with Ebola and others, it's better to act early. Yes. And we did act early. Our situation 3 weeks ago weren't as bad as Italy or Spain, thus we didn't as harsh measures. It looks like it worked. > I see a lot of disbelief on this site too, it appears that exponential growth can fool even us. It's not exponential everywhere. > What country are you from btw? Lithuania Best statistics we got bellow. Top-right is cases (overall vs daily), bottom-right is testing (overall vs daily). https://vu-lt.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/e27574647d6f41ddaf7ed28a7587f6b5 https://vu-lt.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/... > Are you sure the population is properly tested? Given the lack of tests or expertise on the market I kind of doubt it. What is "properly tested"? Testing everybody? No. Testing suspects? Yes. We're also testing everybody coming from abroad (EU or not) for over a week. Before that, it was self-isolation + testing on symptoms since late february. Big chunk of new cases comes from that. > This virus is dangerous because 75% or more of the infected population is close to asymptomatic, yet highly contagious. You might be having a lot more cases among you than you realize. We definitely have much more asymptomatic cases. But amount of new symptomatic cases is not growing. Either it's only spreading asymptomatic (which is unlikely), or spreading is slowing down. We're now in our 3rd week of quarantine (social distancing + restaurants and non-essential shops closed). Had it not worked, we should already see a spike of symptomatic cases.
- bad_user 7y ago
  I hope you'll be OK, however I'm not holding my breath. I'm from Romania and we were at 500 cases and a doubling time of roughly 6 days only a week ago or so. Our cases were also imported, via emigrants returning home. Confirmed cases have exploded since then due to a couple of community hotspots and we're well on track to join the west. So good luck to you, I hope we'll all come out of this well.
  - mantas 7y ago