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What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

by deif 7y ago

johnmarcus 7y ago
i don't think the target audience of this app wants to think about being a "dead man", or dead anything, when this app would be useful. It's a fun nerd term, but if your life is actually in danger it's far from where your mind wants to wander, even though it's technically correct.
- JensRex 7y ago
  >a fun nerd term It absolutely isn't. Lots of things have dead man switches, like locomotives and heavy machinery, and they're named as such.
  - johnmarcus 7y ago
    Nerds work on locomotives and heavy machinery too. Those hard working folks are smart also. Unless your talking in a pirate voice, this is a nerd term for anything that kills something instantly.
russell_h 7y ago
Your target audience substantially isn’t men, and would probably be put off by the “dead” part too. Since I’ll bet your target audience doesn’t already know what a “dead mans switch” is, you get a chance to come up with a better targeted term.
- deif 7y ago
  Technically this is a niche subset of my target audience. As I wrote in the article, the ideal scenario was that I had two separate apps where it has a completely different name, but due to Apple restrictions I was forced to name it Dead Man (actually suggested by Apple themselves when I spoke to them over the phone discussing this issue) as the name has to cover both parts of the functionality even though the target audiences are completely different. But this is not really going to be used by abuse victims of their own accord, it's more likely to be picked up by charities that need to set up a robust support network. It's a fine balance of SEO, networking, naming relevance, and sensitivity that I am tuned into.
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DonHopkins 7y ago
How is that not gobsmackingly obvious to you??! Look at the words you just typed. There are millions of other innocuous games whose names don't invoke death, men, capital punishment, gallows, prison, nooses, lynching, strangulation, hanging, suicide, murder, etc. For God's sake, pick one of those, instead of "hangman" and "dead man's switch". Might as well call it "Kill My Abusive Boyfriend". The whole point is NOT to be obvious when an abusive boyfriend looks through all the apps on your phone. Hangman's not even a plausibly amusing game. Who even plays hangman on their phone? How about "Pokemon NO!"
- deif 7y ago
  I completely agree with you, but as I explained in the article I am limited by Apple's restrictions. I could get around this by side loading the app but then I make the barrier to entry higher. If you can believe it originally this was a 2048 game (see the android version) but Apple suggested they would only approve the app if it was a hang man game and I named it 'Dead Man'. I wish I were joking. You have to understand that this functionality did not exist before today and my target audience previously were travellers, students, journalists, and privacy conscious people so I'm stuck trying to be relevant to multiple sets of audiences and a technical term that has 'dead' and 'man' in the name.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    I'm not sure I get what the issue with the Apple store is. I read the article, and I'm still confused. What did you want to do, and why did they not yet you do it? Why does the name of the app need to have any relation to what it does? There are plenty of apps named things like "Blorg" that do all kinds of things that there's not even a word for. The name doesn't need to be descriptive, it's just a brand. "Pokemon Go" doesn't have any meaning outside of the totally fictitious Pokemon universe. Just make something up like that, like "Glork Zonker Pro".
    - deif 7y ago
      I wanted to release a completely separate app, appropriately named for victims of domestic abuse using a simple 2048 game with hidden dead man switch functionality. For 3 months going back and forth with Apple they told me the app was spam because it mimiced partial functionality of the existing app on the app store that is appropriately named for a completely different target audience (ones where dead man switch is completely relevant). Apple would only approve the app if I integrated it into the existing app but not with the 2048 game because the name wouldn't match the functionality and a dead man switch app called 2048 doesn't make sense for the majority of users. You seem to be missing the fact that this app already exists with a current set of users already. Calling it Glorp Zonker Pro is not exactly relevant to them.
toomuchtodo 7y ago
Yes, but understanding how it operates and your target audience are distinct. Make it clear it is a "domestic abuse panic button". Put yourself in the user's shoes. It is still a "dead man's switch", but that's not what to call it to effectively market it.
wizardforhire 7y ago
Compelling app, I see where you’re coming from I know what a dead man switch is... but gowld is right it’s a terrible term to use. It conveys the wrong imagery for the just the wrong amount of time to cause the most cognitive dissonance when parsing ya’lls prose. To paraphrase the old adage that gets tossed around here, you are not your user.

What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

by deif 7y ago

What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

i don't think the target audience of this app wants to think about being a "dead man", or dead anything, when this app would be useful. It's a fun nerd term, but if your life is actually in danger it's far from where your mind wants to wander, even though it's technically correct.

JensRex 7y ago
>a fun nerd term It absolutely isn't. Lots of things have dead man switches, like locomotives and heavy machinery, and they're named as such.
- johnmarcus 7y ago
  Nerds work on locomotives and heavy machinery too. Those hard working folks are smart also. Unless your talking in a pirate voice, this is a nerd term for anything that kills something instantly.

russell_h 7y ago

Your target audience substantially isn’t men, and would probably be put off by the “dead” part too. Since I’ll bet your target audience doesn’t already know what a “dead mans switch” is, you get a chance to come up with a better targeted term.

deif 7y ago
Technically this is a niche subset of my target audience. As I wrote in the article, the ideal scenario was that I had two separate apps where it has a completely different name, but due to Apple restrictions I was forced to name it Dead Man (actually suggested by Apple themselves when I spoke to them over the phone discussing this issue) as the name has to cover both parts of the functionality even though the target audiences are completely different. But this is not really going to be used by abuse victims of their own accord, it's more likely to be picked up by charities that need to set up a robust support network. It's a fine balance of SEO, networking, naming relevance, and sensitivity that I am tuned into.
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DonHopkins 7y ago

How is that not gobsmackingly obvious to you??! Look at the words you just typed. There are millions of other innocuous games whose names don't invoke death, men, capital punishment, gallows, prison, nooses, lynching, strangulation, hanging, suicide, murder, etc. For God's sake, pick one of those, instead of "hangman" and "dead man's switch". Might as well call it "Kill My Abusive Boyfriend". The whole point is NOT to be obvious when an abusive boyfriend looks through all the apps on your phone. Hangman's not even a plausibly amusing game. Who even plays hangman on their phone? How about "Pokemon NO!"

deif 7y ago
I completely agree with you, but as I explained in the article I am limited by Apple's restrictions. I could get around this by side loading the app but then I make the barrier to entry higher. If you can believe it originally this was a 2048 game (see the android version) but Apple suggested they would only approve the app if it was a hang man game and I named it 'Dead Man'. I wish I were joking. You have to understand that this functionality did not exist before today and my target audience previously were travellers, students, journalists, and privacy conscious people so I'm stuck trying to be relevant to multiple sets of audiences and a technical term that has 'dead' and 'man' in the name.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  I'm not sure I get what the issue with the Apple store is. I read the article, and I'm still confused. What did you want to do, and why did they not yet you do it? Why does the name of the app need to have any relation to what it does? There are plenty of apps named things like "Blorg" that do all kinds of things that there's not even a word for. The name doesn't need to be descriptive, it's just a brand. "Pokemon Go" doesn't have any meaning outside of the totally fictitious Pokemon universe. Just make something up like that, like "Glork Zonker Pro".
  - deif 7y ago
    I wanted to release a completely separate app, appropriately named for victims of domestic abuse using a simple 2048 game with hidden dead man switch functionality. For 3 months going back and forth with Apple they told me the app was spam because it mimiced partial functionality of the existing app on the app store that is appropriately named for a completely different target audience (ones where dead man switch is completely relevant). Apple would only approve the app if I integrated it into the existing app but not with the 2048 game because the name wouldn't match the functionality and a dead man switch app called 2048 doesn't make sense for the majority of users. You seem to be missing the fact that this app already exists with a current set of users already. Calling it Glorp Zonker Pro is not exactly relevant to them.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Yes, but understanding how it operates and your target audience are distinct. Make it clear it is a "domestic abuse panic button". Put yourself in the user's shoes. It is still a "dead man's switch", but that's not what to call it to effectively market it.

wizardforhire 7y ago

Compelling app, I see where you’re coming from I know what a dead man switch is... but gowld is right it’s a terrible term to use. It conveys the wrong imagery for the just the wrong amount of time to cause the most cognitive dissonance when parsing ya’lls prose. To paraphrase the old adage that gets tossed around here, you are not your user.