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This isn’t mine, but the number of my users with js turned off isn’t worth the effort. You guys make a lot of noise, but not a lot of traffic.

alkonaut 7y ago
This. Without JS the base expectation should be a blank page. Not even an error message.
- catalogia 7y ago
  That's a bizarrely vindictive attitude.
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    I’m not saying it should be that way on purpose, I’m saying that’s what you can expect. No one tests for people using terminal browsers or IE4. Noscript users are in the same niche. I understand why you’d disable JavaScript but I don’t understand how people expect those who make web apps to cater for that.
    - catalogia 7y ago
      "Expect" is a word that has different meanings depending on the context: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expect https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expect > To predict or believe that something will happen In this sense, I do not expect most websites to work without javascript. > To consider obligatory or required. In this sense, I do expect most websites to work without javascript. At the very least, for accessibility reasons.
      - cassiet 7y ago
        You can expect all you want, I expect you’ll be disappointed. The goal to keep the web in that languid state is of the same ilk of the buggy whip. It’ll have archaic use cases, but the numbers won’t make sense for a lot of if not most future endeavours.
        catalogia 7y ago
        Opine all you like, it won't stop us from raising a stink about inaccessible websites.
        alkonaut 7y ago
        Inaccessible sites as in doesn’t work with screen readers and similar? You can make websites using js and still conform to accessibility standards (wcag etc). Just like you can make inaccessible websites without js.
nitrogen 7y ago
Your analytics are probably blocked by anyone who has JS off so your traffic numbers are skewed.
- cassiet 7y ago
  They aren’t.
  - nitrogen 7y ago
    How would you know?
    - cassiet 6y ago
      I own the hardware.
mehdix 7y ago
This is not only about people who disable js, but also about people with disabilities who would benefit from accessibility features on your app. With this arguement, we should also ignore them, since they might not be the ones making the most traffic i.e. revenue for us. There is also the increasing number of users who disable trackes out of privacy concerns. At lease most of the marketing guys I've seen still assume what trackers show is all there is.
- cassiet 7y ago
  Accessibility isn’t being discussed here. All my sites are accessible, don’t conflate the two.
c22 7y ago
This sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Who's going to generate a lot of traffic interacting with a blank page?

alkonaut 7y ago

This. Without JS the base expectation should be a blank page. Not even an error message.

catalogia 7y ago
That's a bizarrely vindictive attitude.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  I’m not saying it should be that way on purpose, I’m saying that’s what you can expect. No one tests for people using terminal browsers or IE4. Noscript users are in the same niche. I understand why you’d disable JavaScript but I don’t understand how people expect those who make web apps to cater for that.
  - catalogia 7y ago
    "Expect" is a word that has different meanings depending on the context: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expect https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expect > To predict or believe that something will happen In this sense, I do not expect most websites to work without javascript. > To consider obligatory or required. In this sense, I do expect most websites to work without javascript. At the very least, for accessibility reasons.
    - cassiet 7y ago
      You can expect all you want, I expect you’ll be disappointed. The goal to keep the web in that languid state is of the same ilk of the buggy whip. It’ll have archaic use cases, but the numbers won’t make sense for a lot of if not most future endeavours.
      - catalogia 7y ago
        Opine all you like, it won't stop us from raising a stink about inaccessible websites.
        alkonaut 7y ago
        Inaccessible sites as in doesn’t work with screen readers and similar? You can make websites using js and still conform to accessibility standards (wcag etc). Just like you can make inaccessible websites without js.

nitrogen 7y ago

Your analytics are probably blocked by anyone who has JS off so your traffic numbers are skewed.

cassiet 7y ago
They aren’t.
- nitrogen 7y ago
  How would you know?
  - cassiet 6y ago
    I own the hardware.

mehdix 7y ago

This is not only about people who disable js, but also about people with disabilities who would benefit from accessibility features on your app. With this arguement, we should also ignore them, since they might not be the ones making the most traffic i.e. revenue for us. There is also the increasing number of users who disable trackes out of privacy concerns. At lease most of the marketing guys I've seen still assume what trackers show is all there is.

cassiet 7y ago
Accessibility isn’t being discussed here. All my sites are accessible, don’t conflate the two.

c22 7y ago

This sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Who's going to generate a lot of traffic interacting with a blank page?