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Since all the lockdowns and social distancing rules have come into play for COVID-19, Zoom has seen a huge increase in consumer usage. That in turn has lead to

by shrew 7y ago

Since all the lockdowns and social distancing rules have come into play for COVID-19, Zoom has seen a huge increase in consumer usage. That in turn has lead to increased scrutiny as more people use it. Besides that, this certainly isn't the first time Zoom's shady practices have been exposed, where many other conferencing products haven't had such a track record.

macspoofing 7y ago
>Zoom has seen a huge increase in consumer usage. Moreso than others? I deal with customers/partners all the time, and I count the following desktop clients installed on my laptop: - Zoom - GoToMeeting - BlueJeans - Skype for Business - WebEx - Join.me Also: - Teams - Slack - Hangout Meet And I'm probably missing a bunch. Is Zoom that much bigger?
- lighthazard 7y ago
  Yes, Zoom has recently been adopted by local non-business groups across the world. Anecdotally, my wife's momgroups have Zoom now, and she's also using it with her own family. None of the alternatives are even close to good comparatively in ease-of-use and stability.
  - macspoofing 7y ago
    Ah. Makes sense. I deal mostly with businesses, and Zoom, from my anecdotal experience, is a minor player there.
    - shadowtree 7y ago
      In mid-2019 Zoom was only behind Cisco WebEx: https://www.ciodive.com/news/zooms-rise-carving-market-share-from-microsoft-cisco/560526/ https://www.ciodive.com/news/zooms-rise-carving-market-share... Now it is the market leader. Hence all the bad P.R. Zoom's CEO was the head engineer for WebEx. Also public, profitable.
  - valuearb 7y ago
    Ease of use that came from bending platform rules.
    - jcelerier 7y ago
      you know what is more important than platform rules ? satisfying consumers. Remember that tech is made for humans before everything else ! e.g., if a majority (or even strong minority) of people in a country bends a rule, you change the rule to accommodate people, you don't put 30% of your population in jail. If zoom was a country, it would be the ~10th european country by population, you can't just ignore that.
      - valuearb 7y ago
        In this case they were breaking security rules. The main people that accommodates is hackers.
        jcelerier 7y ago
        which rule is being broken here ?
maest 7y ago
What about using one of the many conferencing services that run from your browser? Zoom has been repeatedly breaking the trust of their users - it's a clear pattern that won't change.
- cesarb 7y ago
  Isn't Zoom also one of the many conferencing services that run from your browser?
  - dividuum 7y ago
    They use dark pattern to hide that: You'll have to cancel their attempt to open/download (one of that, don't remember) the native app three times before the link appears.

by shrew 7y ago

macspoofing 7y ago

>Zoom has seen a huge increase in consumer usage. Moreso than others? I deal with customers/partners all the time, and I count the following desktop clients installed on my laptop: - Zoom - GoToMeeting - BlueJeans - Skype for Business - WebEx - Join.me Also: - Teams - Slack - Hangout Meet And I'm probably missing a bunch. Is Zoom that much bigger?

lighthazard 7y ago
Yes, Zoom has recently been adopted by local non-business groups across the world. Anecdotally, my wife's momgroups have Zoom now, and she's also using it with her own family. None of the alternatives are even close to good comparatively in ease-of-use and stability.
- macspoofing 7y ago
  Ah. Makes sense. I deal mostly with businesses, and Zoom, from my anecdotal experience, is a minor player there.
  - shadowtree 7y ago
    In mid-2019 Zoom was only behind Cisco WebEx: https://www.ciodive.com/news/zooms-rise-carving-market-share-from-microsoft-cisco/560526/ https://www.ciodive.com/news/zooms-rise-carving-market-share... Now it is the market leader. Hence all the bad P.R. Zoom's CEO was the head engineer for WebEx. Also public, profitable.
- valuearb 7y ago
  Ease of use that came from bending platform rules.
  - jcelerier 7y ago
    you know what is more important than platform rules ? satisfying consumers. Remember that tech is made for humans before everything else ! e.g., if a majority (or even strong minority) of people in a country bends a rule, you change the rule to accommodate people, you don't put 30% of your population in jail. If zoom was a country, it would be the ~10th european country by population, you can't just ignore that.
    - valuearb 7y ago
      In this case they were breaking security rules. The main people that accommodates is hackers.
      - jcelerier 7y ago
        which rule is being broken here ?

maest 7y ago

What about using one of the many conferencing services that run from your browser? Zoom has been repeatedly breaking the trust of their users - it's a clear pattern that won't change.

cesarb 7y ago
Isn't Zoom also one of the many conferencing services that run from your browser?
- dividuum 7y ago
  They use dark pattern to hide that: You'll have to cancel their attempt to open/download (one of that, don't remember) the native app three times before the link appears.