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I know from italy for ex. if you are tested positive on Corona, no matter how you die (a tank drove over you twice) you will end up in the "death with Corona" s

I know from italy for ex. if you are tested positive on Corona, no matter how you die (a tank drove over you twice) you will end up in the "death with Corona" spreadsheet. I don't know about other countrys does this handle. Also normaly, if very old people get sick (like my grandma died) they don't go to the emergency hospital. They might go to a hospital, but usually they don't try to save lives at all costs.

splintercell 7y ago
How many Corona positive people are dying of non-Coronavirus related issues? Is that number really that much to impact the total figures?
- s9w 7y ago
  The age distribution is quite a signal that this is plausible. Then we have the Italian study that said only 1% had no other comorbidity. And then you have a few cases with enough details to go looking, usually the first death in a city/region or notable cases. As a random example this: https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/first-lehigh-county-resident-to-die-from-the-coronavirus-was-80-official-says.html https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/first-l...
  - vanniv 7y ago
    Yowza, Fellow falls hits his head, dies from head trauma -- but because he had COVID, he "succumbed to the virus" Good grief
- vanniv 7y ago
  Normally, if be tempted to say "not many, probably" but The median fatal case in Italy is an 81-year old with 2 comorbidities (typically two of: heart disease, COPD, diabetes, obesity). An 81-year-old has a ~10% chance of dying in any given year, and an 81-year-old with serious underlying medical conditions is even likelier to die. If you're an 81-year-old with serious underlying health issues, you have a material chance of death generally in a 2-month period (which the coronavirus has been there). On top of that, for those folks, every illness is a high-risk occurrence (even a simple cold). The situation in Italy now is bad enough that there are definitely many COVID deaths that wouldn't have happened without COVID. But it is almost certainly the case that a meaningful number of these patients would have died in those two months anyway. (Roughly 2% of all 80+ population would have died in that time if the virus didn't exist; it seems very likely that that 2% would be disproportionately inclusive of those with serious underlying health issues -- which are the people most killed with COVID.
kanox 7y ago
I don't think this would have a large impact because the percentage of people who have coronovirus is still extremely low, 0.1% in the worst hit countries. Normal european death rates seem to be ~10 death/1000 people/year; for example in 2018 Germany had 954874 deaths or ~2600 per day. Multiply that with a ~0.1% coronavirus rate and only 2 people who would have died anyway would get overcounted for coronavirus.
- s9w 7y ago
  We simply don't have random testing in Germany yet. 0.1% is roughly the official number of positive test (of people who are sick enough to get tested).

splintercell 7y ago

How many Corona positive people are dying of non-Coronavirus related issues? Is that number really that much to impact the total figures?

s9w 7y ago
The age distribution is quite a signal that this is plausible. Then we have the Italian study that said only 1% had no other comorbidity. And then you have a few cases with enough details to go looking, usually the first death in a city/region or notable cases. As a random example this: https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/first-lehigh-county-resident-to-die-from-the-coronavirus-was-80-official-says.html https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/first-l...
- vanniv 7y ago
  Yowza, Fellow falls hits his head, dies from head trauma -- but because he had COVID, he "succumbed to the virus" Good grief
vanniv 7y ago
Normally, if be tempted to say "not many, probably" but The median fatal case in Italy is an 81-year old with 2 comorbidities (typically two of: heart disease, COPD, diabetes, obesity). An 81-year-old has a ~10% chance of dying in any given year, and an 81-year-old with serious underlying medical conditions is even likelier to die. If you're an 81-year-old with serious underlying health issues, you have a material chance of death generally in a 2-month period (which the coronavirus has been there). On top of that, for those folks, every illness is a high-risk occurrence (even a simple cold). The situation in Italy now is bad enough that there are definitely many COVID deaths that wouldn't have happened without COVID. But it is almost certainly the case that a meaningful number of these patients would have died in those two months anyway. (Roughly 2% of all 80+ population would have died in that time if the virus didn't exist; it seems very likely that that 2% would be disproportionately inclusive of those with serious underlying health issues -- which are the people most killed with COVID.

kanox 7y ago

I don't think this would have a large impact because the percentage of people who have coronovirus is still extremely low, 0.1% in the worst hit countries. Normal european death rates seem to be ~10 death/1000 people/year; for example in 2018 Germany had 954874 deaths or ~2600 per day. Multiply that with a ~0.1% coronavirus rate and only 2 people who would have died anyway would get overcounted for coronavirus.

s9w 7y ago
We simply don't have random testing in Germany yet. 0.1% is roughly the official number of positive test (of people who are sick enough to get tested).