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Seems like a great opportunity to build a Windows alternative. Omni software is deeply Mac, using Mac UX/UI components that don't exist elsewhere. If they GTK/Q

by gowld 7y ago

Seems like a great opportunity to build a Windows alternative. Omni software is deeply Mac, using Mac UX/UI components that don't exist elsewhere. If they GTK/QT/JSed it, it wouldn't be Omni and it wouldn't be worth $50-$250 a pop.

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worthless-trash 7y ago
Are you saying using mac components alone gives it the $50-$100 a pop value, if so thats some quality brainwashing going on.
- macintux 7y ago
  The difference between using software developed explicitly and exclusively for the Mac (and/or iOS) platform vs a cross-platform application is often quite dramatic. Omni in particular makes extremely clean, friendly applications that feel aligned with the platform.
- pavlov 7y ago
  I’ve been paying for OmniGraffle since 2004 or so and also bought licenses at various employers. The price has never been a problem. But if it wasn’t a native Mac Cocoa app, I would never use it. A lot of OmniGraffle’s value comes from UI that abides by platform guidelines and the high-quality rendering and integrations enabled by being a native app rather than a lowest common denominator cross-platform port.
  - djsumdog 7y ago
    > a lowest common denominator cross-platform port I think the word you were looking for was "Electron Cancer"
- pubstik 7y ago
  It will be defended to the death. The cult is strong, if waneing.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Yes. I would pay for a native Mac experience. I would never pay for any app that uses something like Electron. If you’re okay with mediocre software, why buy a Mac outside of doing development?
  - whywhywhywhy 7y ago
    The way things are going you're not really going to have a choice in a few years.
    - mwcampbell 7y ago
      We do have a choice now, and that is to pay for good software. When we resign ourselves to "the way things are going", it tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
blihp 7y ago
Not really. In the Windows world Visio pretty much owns the market. Sure, the retail price of Visio is higher but it's also typically built into corporate pricing schedules for Microsoft software (i.e. discounted and on the pre-approved vendor list)... good luck competing with that. For anyone price-sensitive there's open source / freeware / web-based stuff. This doesn't leave much room for another desktop product.

by gowld 7y ago

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worthless-trash 7y ago

Are you saying using mac components alone gives it the $50-$100 a pop value, if so thats some quality brainwashing going on.

macintux 7y ago
The difference between using software developed explicitly and exclusively for the Mac (and/or iOS) platform vs a cross-platform application is often quite dramatic. Omni in particular makes extremely clean, friendly applications that feel aligned with the platform.
pavlov 7y ago
I’ve been paying for OmniGraffle since 2004 or so and also bought licenses at various employers. The price has never been a problem. But if it wasn’t a native Mac Cocoa app, I would never use it. A lot of OmniGraffle’s value comes from UI that abides by platform guidelines and the high-quality rendering and integrations enabled by being a native app rather than a lowest common denominator cross-platform port.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  > a lowest common denominator cross-platform port I think the word you were looking for was "Electron Cancer"
pubstik 7y ago
It will be defended to the death. The cult is strong, if waneing.
scarface74 7y ago
Yes. I would pay for a native Mac experience. I would never pay for any app that uses something like Electron. If you’re okay with mediocre software, why buy a Mac outside of doing development?
- whywhywhywhy 7y ago
  The way things are going you're not really going to have a choice in a few years.
  - mwcampbell 7y ago
    We do have a choice now, and that is to pay for good software. When we resign ourselves to "the way things are going", it tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

blihp 7y ago

Not really. In the Windows world Visio pretty much owns the market. Sure, the retail price of Visio is higher but it's also typically built into corporate pricing schedules for Microsoft software (i.e. discounted and on the pre-approved vendor list)... good luck competing with that. For anyone price-sensitive there's open source / freeware / web-based stuff. This doesn't leave much room for another desktop product.